From owner-glass Wed Oct 1 07:23:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 06:51:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: gawab.com!jim_bankol From: "Mr. Jim Bankol" To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: I NEED YOUR CONFIDENCE Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 06:41:50 -0700 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Dear Sir=2C First=2C I must solicit your strictest confidence to this mutal assistance and for the entire transaction=2C this is by it's nature of being utterly top confidential & secret for the sake of my life=2E I am a Sierra Leonean businessman=2E I was formally into the importation and sale of medical equipment in my native country=2C Sierra -Leone=2E My operational base was in Freetown=2C the capital city=2E In January 1999=2C when the second civil war broke out in my country=2C over the years the trial of waging this barbaric mission and all the massacre has being in vain=2C my office and warehouse were burnt by the Revolutionary United Front Rebels=2C who invaded Freetown=2EIn that attack=2C I lost all my properties and assets=2E I was left with virtually nothing=2C except the little part that was left in my bank during the devasitating era of the evil Rebels=2E When the United Nations sent in troops to quell the rebel's onslaught and there was a relative peace in Freetown=2C I returned to business=2C but this time=2C I invested my resources in the Mining of Diamond which abounds in my country and I exported the Diamond through the help of a third party=2C some Lebanese who were very much versed in the industry to Antwerp in Belgium=2E The returns I got from this business was quite good and my life was gradually picking up again until early this year when the Sierra- Leonia government banned private exportation of the Diamond deposit and also called on the United Nations to ban the sale of Sierra - Leonean Diamond at the international market=2E The U=2EN obliged the government and it is now illegal to sell=2Fbuy Diamond emanating from Sierra-Leone=2E Following this action=2C the government of my country clamped down on all businessmen who had made fortunes selling Diamond=2E Consequently=2C my newly acquired properties were seized again and I had no option than to leave the country immediately=2E But I did that only after I was able to first move my money out of the country=2E I had US$10=2E500=2C000=28Ten Million Five Hundred Thousand United States Dollars=29 in my domiciliary account in Freetown=2E I had to move the money out of the Country through a very confidentially arranged channel=2E This was done in very unconventional methods=2C by my friend an official at the =22Security Minting & Printing Company=22 of my country=2E Now=2C the money is in OVERSEA COUNTRY under the custody of a private financial outfit in abroad=2E The help I am now seeking is someone who has good status and the capabilities of receiving the US$10=2E500=2C000 in his bank account=2C because I am on self-exile in a neighboring West African country from where I am trying to work out my traveling documents to enable me travel abroad=2E All you need to have is a power of attorney from me=2C empowering you as the recipient of this fund in your bank account and give promisry note that handle everything accordingly=2E Secondly=2C after the said fund has been remitted into your bank account =2C I would want you to help me get a permanent resident permit in your country=2E For your efforts and the expenses you may incur in the course of this transaction=2C you will be entitled to 30% of the total sum and I shall recompensate you on the expenses that might be incurred=2E But we shall have an agreement to the effect that you WILL NOT take or spend out of my =2870%=29 money until such a time when I am able to be with you=2E Please=2C feel free to reach me on my e-mail address=28jim=5Fbankol=40gawab=2Ecom=29 =2E Do remember when replying me to include your full name and your direct telephone=2Ffax numbers preferably your private telephone and fax lines=2E I must apologize for the inconveniences this may cause you=2E Waiting to hear from you =2E Best regards=2C Mr=2EJim Bahkol ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 1 11:22:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 10:43:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: aol.com!TheWrightLight From: TheWrightLight@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1dd.11bb6179.2cac6b1e_boundary" Subject: zinc patina Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 13:38:38 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com> Precedence: bulk --part1_1dd.11bb6179.2cac6b1e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What is the best way to apply the black patina for zinc and polish? Thanks Maggie --part1_1dd.11bb6179.2cac6b1e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What is the best way to apply the black patina for zin= c and polish?

Thanks
Maggie --part1_1dd.11bb6179.2cac6b1e_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 1 13:20:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 12:37:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: charter.net!mbeisner From: "MB" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01C38828.E868D680" Subject: re: zinc patina Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 14:32:57 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@charter.net> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C38828.E868D680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, I'm sure this will open up a few eyes, not to mention arguments = but here goes!! I've tried patina made for zinc and had less than = satisfactory results. By accident, I was able to achieve a neat patina = on zinc by getting some copper for solder and black for solder on zinc. = Liked it so much, I don't even bother with the patinas made for zinc = anymore. I've used them seperate, I've used them mixed together, just = depends on what I feel like doing. I think the copper patina for solder = actually gives a black finish but it's been awhile since I've messed = with it so I might be wrong. Get out some scraps and play, that's about = my best advice. Oh, and use good ventilation cuz it does "foam" a bit = if you mix the two patinas but nothing that bothers me. After it's on = to your liking, let it dry 24 hours. If you try to dry by wiping it, = you'll wipe it right off. I've had pieces patina-ed like this that have = held up for 5 years so far and show no signs of coming off. Just = remember to wipe the patina off any glass or it will haze. Sometimes = but not often enough, I even get colors like gold and purples and greens = using the mixture. It's fun to play with it and see what you can come = up with. =20 Just a side note, using black patina on copper creates some great = colors! You just have to really dump it on and not disturb it. Good = luck!! ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C38828.E868D680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well, I'm sure this will open up a = few eyes, not=20 to mention arguments but here goes!!  I've tried patina made for = zinc and=20 had less than satisfactory results.  By accident, I was able to = achieve a=20 neat patina on zinc by getting some copper for solder and black for = solder on=20 zinc.  Liked it so much, I don't even bother with the patinas made = for zinc=20 anymore.  I've used them seperate, I've used them mixed together, = just=20 depends on what I feel like doing.  I think the copper patina for = solder=20 actually gives a black finish but it's been awhile since I've messed = with it so=20 I might be wrong.  Get out some scraps and play, that's about my = best=20 advice.  Oh, and use good ventilation cuz it does "foam" a bit if = you mix=20 the two patinas but nothing that bothers me.  After it's on to your = liking,=20 let it dry 24 hours.  If you try to dry by wiping it, you'll wipe = it right=20 off.  I've had pieces patina-ed like this that have held up for 5 = years so=20 far and show no signs of coming off.  Just remember to wipe the = patina off=20 any glass or it will haze.  Sometimes but not often enough, I even = get=20 colors like gold and purples and greens using the mixture.  It's = fun to=20 play with it and see what you can come up with. 
 
Just a side note, using black patina = on copper=20 creates some great colors!  You just have to really dump it on and = not=20 disturb it.  Good luck!! 
------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C38828.E868D680-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 1 15:25:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 14:53:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: mindspring.com!johncarmichael From: "John Carmichael" To: "Glass List" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00CD_01C3882A.A0F80A80" Subject: Patina on Copper Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 14:45:16 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@mindspring.com> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00CD_01C3882A.A0F80A80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Bungi List: This is my first message since all that virus trouble, but it looks like = the list is working ok now. I too have a question about patinas. I have a customer who wants me to electroplate a brass sheet with = copper. But he wants a grey-green copper patina on it. My metal plating guy will electroplate the brass in copper, but then how = do I get the copper plating to have a patina? Can I wash it with some = acid or other liquid? Any of your expert thoughts much appreciated! Thanks John John L. Carmichael Jr. 925 E. Foothills Dr. Tucson Arizona, USA Tel: 520-696-1709 Email: johncarmichael@mindspring.com Sundial Sculptures Website: http://www.sundialsculptures.com Stained Glass Sundials Website: = http://advanceassociates.com/Sundials/Stained_Glass ------=_NextPart_000_00CD_01C3882A.A0F80A80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Bungi List:
 
This is my first message since all that virus = trouble, but it=20 looks like the list is working ok now.
 
I too have a question about patinas.
 
I have a customer who wants me to = electroplate a=20 brass sheet with copper.  But he wants a grey-green = copper patina=20 on it.
 
My metal plating guy will electroplate the = brass=20 in copper, but then how do I get the copper plating to have a=20 patina?  Can I wash it with some acid or other liquid?
 
Any of your expert thoughts much = appreciated!
 
Thanks
 
John
 
John L. Carmichael Jr.
925 E. Foothills = Dr.
Tucson=20 Arizona, USA
Tel: 520-696-1709
Email: johncarmichael@mindspring.c= om
Sundial=20 Sculptures Website: http://www.sundialsculptures.co= m
Stained=20 Glass Sundials Website: http://advan= ceassociates.com/Sundials/Stained_Glass
------=_NextPart_000_00CD_01C3882A.A0F80A80-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 1 16:25:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 15:48:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: stratus.com!Charlie.Spitzer From: "Spitzer, Charlie" To: Glass List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: Patina on Copper Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 15:30:29 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@stratus.com> Precedence: bulk pee on it. another, not so fun way, is to spray salt water on it. regards, charlie cave creek, az -----Original Message----- From: John Carmichael [mailto:johncarmichael@mindspring.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 2:45 PM To: Glass List Subject: Patina on Copper Hello Bungi List: This is my first message since all that virus trouble, but it looks like the list is working ok now. I too have a question about patinas. I have a customer who wants me to electroplate a brass sheet with copper. But he wants a grey-green copper patina on it. My metal plating guy will electroplate the brass in copper, but then how do I get the copper plating to have a patina? Can I wash it with some acid or other liquid? Any of your expert thoughts much appreciated! Thanks John John L. Carmichael Jr. 925 E. Foothills Dr. Tucson Arizona, USA Tel: 520-696-1709 Email: johncarmichael@mindspring.com Sundial Sculptures Website: http://www.sundialsculptures.com Stained Glass Sundials Website: http://advanceassociates.com/Sundials/Stained_Glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 1 20:20:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 19:46:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: comcast.net!byronw26 From: "Byron Wells" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0132_01C38864.CA523C40" Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 21:41:36 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@comcast.net> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0132_01C38864.CA523C40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey all.. I'm in search of a Wismach Wispy # WO 78.. Any leads would be = appreciated.. I've checked with all my suppliers and they either are out = or don't stock that color.. I took on a repair job in a moment of = weakness ( I usually avoid repairs like the plague) and now I'm = searching... Thanks in advance! Byron... Wells Glassworks ------=_NextPart_000_0132_01C38864.CA523C40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey all..
 
I'm in search of a Wismach Wispy # WO 78.. Any leads = would be=20 appreciated.. I've checked with all my suppliers and they either are out = or=20 don't stock that color.. I took on a repair job in a moment of weakness = ( I=20 usually avoid repairs like the plague) and now I'm searching... Thanks = in=20 advance!
 
Byron...
Wells Glassworks
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0132_01C38864.CA523C40-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 1 22:22:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 22:02:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: verizon.net!moya.oneal From: "Moya O'Neal" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01C38880.02B6ED40" Subject: Re: Patine Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 00:56:27 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@verizon.net> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C38880.02B6ED40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Charlie, I sure can't think of a quicker way of accomplishing verdigris = finish! Of course it is simpler for some! Moya ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C38880.02B6ED40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Charlie,
    I sure can't think = of a quicker=20 way of accomplishing verdigris finish!  Of course it is simpler for = some!
Moya
------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C38880.02B6ED40-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 2 05:22:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 04:50:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: charter.net!mbeisner From: "MB" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009E_01C388B0.9EAE71C0" Subject: re: patina on copper Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 06:44:25 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@charter.net> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009E_01C388B0.9EAE71C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've heard someone out there makes a "green verdigris" patina for = solder, I think it might be by Jax. I've looked all over and have never = found it and would love to own some for myself. If anyone knows who = makes it and where it's available, I hope they share the info with this = list. =20 I have no experience with electroplated stuff so I'm wondering about a = few things. Will this guy be electroplating the finished piece or just = the brass before it's assembled? If he's electroplating the finished = piece, won't the solder also be electroplated with the copper? If it = is, then can't you use the same finish on the copper that you use on the = electroplated brass? Another question....if you have to electroplate = the brass to be copper, why not just build it with copper came in the = first place? (of course I don't know what you're building so that might = make a difference...) =20 Now here's a thought....if you build it out of copper, then have the = thing electroplated in copper, (or whatever) one thing I found out = (again by accident and probably just sheer laziness on my part) is that = if you leave La-Co Brite regular soldering flux liquid on copper, it = turns it that neat blue/green finish. It helps if the humidity is high = when it's "aging". Whether or not this would work in your case, I'm not = sure. I built some garden art pieces out of solid copper ground wire = and copper flashing this summer and just used this flux as a patina. = The point I'm trying to make is if you can't find a patina for the = solder to turn it grey/green, if it's been electroplated would it not = have a copper coating on it? If so, then maybe try the La-Co Brite flux = as the "patina". It's non-acid, water soluable but after it dries on = the copper (in my experience) it doesn't come off, even in the rain in = the garden. =20 Or maybe it'd be easier to just pee on it like Charlie says....! = (thanks Charlie, that was a good one!) As much as I like to experiment, = I might try that. Gee, I feel like a mad = scientist....waaaaaaaahaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaa ------=_NextPart_000_009E_01C388B0.9EAE71C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've heard someone out there makes a = "green=20 verdigris" patina for solder, I think it might be by Jax.  I've = looked all=20 over and have never found it and would love to own some for = myself.  If=20 anyone knows who makes it and where it's available, I hope they share = the info=20 with this list. 
 
I have no experience with = electroplated stuff so=20 I'm wondering about a few things.  Will this guy be electroplating = the=20 finished piece or just the brass before it's assembled?  If he's=20 electroplating the finished piece, won't the solder also be = electroplated with=20 the copper?  If it is, then can't you use the same finish on the = copper=20 that you use on the electroplated brass?  Another question....if = you have=20 to electroplate the brass to be copper, why not just build it with = copper came=20 in the first place?  (of course I don't know what you're building = so that=20 might make a difference...) 
 
Now here's a thought....if you build = it out of=20 copper, then have the thing electroplated in copper, (or whatever) one = thing I=20 found out (again by accident and probably just sheer laziness on my = part) is=20 that if you leave La-Co Brite regular soldering flux liquid on copper, = it turns=20 it that neat blue/green finish.  It helps if the humidity is high = when it's=20 "aging".  Whether or not this would work in your case, I'm not = sure. =20 I built some garden art pieces out of solid copper ground wire and = copper=20 flashing this summer and just used this flux as a patina.  The = point I'm=20 trying to make is if you can't find a patina for the solder to turn it=20 grey/green, if it's been electroplated would it not have a copper = coating on=20 it?  If so, then maybe try the La-Co Brite flux as the = "patina".  It's=20 non-acid, water soluable but after it dries on the copper (in my = experience) it=20 doesn't come off, even in the rain in the garden. 
 
Or maybe it'd be easier to just pee = on it like=20 Charlie says....!  (thanks Charlie, that was a good = one!)  As=20 much as I like to experiment, I might try that.  Gee, I feel like a = mad=20 scientist....waaaaaaaahaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaa
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Heinz Cibulka, Izima Kaoru, Olu Oguibe, William Kentridge, Carine & Elisabeth Krecke', Olaf Nicolai, Christian Ragot. http://undo.net/cgi-bin/press.pl?id=1065109839 Segnalato da: Enzo Umbaca # London, Tate Modern SIGMAR POLKE dal 3/10/2003 al 4/1/2004 History of Everything. History of Everything showcases Polke's work over the last six years. This exhibition includes several groups of works made with the original venue in mind. Polke asked the museum to send him stacks of Texan newspapers, providing a rich source of material about local culture. http://undo.net/cgi-bin/press.pl?id=1065112787 Segnalato da: Tate Modern # Venezia, Museo Correr BRUCE CHATWIN dal 3/10/2003 al 30/11/2003 Nell'ambito della rassegna di letteratura ''Fondamenta'', Venezia rende omaggio ad uno dei maggiori scrittori-viaggiatori. Oltre 60 scatti documentano come appunti visivi i percosi di Chatwin per le piste del mondo, dalla Patagonia all'Afghanistan. http://undo.net/cgi-bin/press.pl?id=1063871603 Segnalato da: Musei Civici Veneziani # Caserta, Galleria Studio Legale CLAUDIA GRASSL dal 3/10/2003 al 3/11/2003 Young Americans. Ragazze e bambine della periferia degli States fotografate nelle loro abitazioni. I personaggi decritti nelle immagini non corrispondono al vero. C'e' la volonta' di avvicinarsi alla realta'; ma e' solo un'illusione, realizzata ricorrendo a un linguaggio mediato dalle riviste patinate e dai servizi di moda. Le immagini mostrano gli aspetti drammatici e inaccessibili dell'universo giovanile. http://undo.net/cgi-bin/press.pl?id=1064927613 Segnalato da: Galleria Studio Legale # Walsall, The New Art Gallery Walsall THREE EXHIBITIONS dal 3/10/2003 al 16/11/2003 Solo exhibition by Dan Holdsworth, Capturing Identity exhibition,Who built the Gallery? Photography by Ming De Nasty. http://undo.net/cgi-bin/press.pl?id=1065110663 Segnalato da: Wilkinson Chris - The New Art Gallery Walsall # Riva del Garda (TN), Museo Civico ALLA RICERCA DELLE MENTI PERDUTE dal 3/10/2003 al 31/10/2003 Viaggi nell'istituzione manicomiale. Temi guida sono i luoghi, le persone e le azioni che hanno contribuito nel corso dei secoli, fra il XVIII ed il XX, a dar forma a quel variegato universo identificato con il termine di manicomio. Tre fotografi e tre artisti affrontano il tema del disagio. A cura di Angela Madesani http://undo.net/cgi-bin/press.pl?id=1065111949 Segnalato da: angela madesani # Trento, Palazzo delle Albere TENDENZE ATTUALI DELL'ARTE ITALIANA dal 3/10/2003 al 16/11/2003 Mostra-concorso per la promozione dell'arte italiana: saranno in mostra le opere di dieci artisti italiani. La Fondazione VAF organizza ogni due anni una mostra-concorso che ha lo scopo esplicito di far conoscere le linee di ricerca degli artisti italiani. http://undo.net/cgi-bin/press.pl?id=1065113318 Segnalato da: Luca Melchionna Ufficio Stampa Mart # Brugge, Artonivo NORDIC BEAUTY dal 3/10/2003 al 30/11/2003 2 artists in duo. Rozalia Janovic (1964 yugoslavia), parchment objects on the wall and Merja Winqvist (1949 finland), paper sculptures. http://undo.net/cgi-bin/press.pl?id=1065118142 Segnalato da: Artonivo # Lugano, Galleria Doppia v ENRIQUE BRECCIA dal 3/10/2003 al 30/11/2003 Artista di fama internazionale nell'ambito del fumetto, Breccia e' poco conosciuto per le sue opere pittoriche poiche' esposte sporadicamente fra l'Argentina e gli Stati Uniti. Questa e' una grande occasione per visionare una serie di grandi dipinti, disegni e numerose tavole. http://undo.net/cgi-bin/press.pl?id=1065113708 Segnalato da: Eugenia Walter # Milano, Oltreluna MUTAZIONI DEL TERZO MILLENNIO dal 3/10/2003 al 4/10/2003 Mostra di pittura e performance di Sonia Biasi, Maurizia Manfredi e Mariuccia Rostellato. Le esperienze autonome e indipendenti delle tre artiste padovane si unificano attorno al tema dell'identita' e della sua trasformazione. http://undo.net/cgi-bin/press.pl?id=1065114415 Segnalato da: Marilde Magni # Richmond, Artspace Gallery THE FIGURE dal 3/10/2003 al 2/11/2003 Pastel works by gallery member emeritus, Beatrice K.Klein. This presentation of recent works in pastel is her first exhibition since 1993, when a retrospective show of her work was held at Artspace. Klein states, 'Although I have always been retrospective to the major shifts of modernist art, it is always rewarding and comfortable to return to the figure.' http://undo.net/cgi-bin/press.pl?id=1065106127 Segnalato da: Artspace Administrator # San Marino, CA, Absolute Art Gallery DIALOGUE dal 3/10/2003 al 25/10/2003 New Works by Selected Gallery Artists: Robert Inman, Yoshiko Inman, Lyndelle Stonick, Evgenia Gennadia Willis. With a strong passion for art, Absolute Art gallery will present a variety of excellent contemporary artists working in many different styles and media. http://undo.net/cgi-bin/press.pl?id=1065102425 Segnalato da: Absolute Art Gallery # Roma, Gard ARIA, TERRA, ACQUA, FUOCO dal 3/10/2003 al 18/10/2003 Ariela Bohm, Donatella Piras, Manilio Prignano, Ute Zocher. La mostra e' imperniata su forti ricerche operate dai quattro espositori sui temi degli elementi primari della natura. http://undo.net/cgi-bin/press.pl?id=1065106783 Segnalato da: soqquadro # New York, McCaig-Welles Gallery SIMPLE PLEASURES dal 3/10/2003 al 31/10/2003 New Works by SP.One. A series of collages and a site-specific wall painting. The exhibition exemplifies the artist's continuing involvement with diverse media linked by a singular idea: to bridge the distinctions and blur the boundaries between 'high' and 'low art'. http://undo.net/cgi-bin/press.pl?id=1065107981 Segnalato da: Melissa K. Welles # Losone, La fabbrica MARIO DONDERO dal 3/10/2003 al 25/10/2003 Una commedia umana - ritratti e reportage. I 35 lavori che saranno esposti fino al 4 novembre coprono un lunghissimo arco temporale - essendo state realizzate tra il '58 ed il '99 - e riguardano due tematiche fondamentali nell'opera del fotografo attualmente vivente in Francia: i reportages ed i ritratti. http://undo.net/cgi-bin/press.pl?id=1065108952 Segnalato da: Riccardo Lisi # Bologna, Sesto Senso COLLEZIONE PRIVATA dal 3/10/2003 al 23/10/2003 Di Guido Panighi e Ludovico Pesce. A cura di Elia e Stefano Questioli http://undo.net/cgi-bin/press.pl?id=1065110344 Segnalato da: Sesto Senso # Ravenna, S. Maria delle Croci IL VELO DI MAYA dal 3/10/2003 al 2/11/2003 Marjane Satrapi o dell'ironia dell'Iran, eccezionale mostra antologica delle 'strisce' della fumettista iraniana Marjane Satrapi. http://undo.net/cgi-bin/press.pl?id=1065111288 Segnalato da: Pepita Promoters # :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: A L T R I E V E N T I D I O G G I Venezia Presentazione libro - UNABOMBER, l'ultimo giorno. Racconto profezia di Mauro Covacich, scrittore, autore tra gli altri di L'amore contro, 2001 e A perdifiato, 2003. Collabora con "Il Corriere delle Sera". Ferrara Arnaldo Pomodoro - Una stele dell'artista celebra la memoria di Giorgio Bassani, il grande scrittore scomparso. Genova, fino al 6/11/03 Carta e Ferro - Ferro e Carta - Mirta Carroli e Giovanna Irdi Giannakoulas. Sculture Magenta (MI), fino al 5/10/03 Colori ed emozioni - Dipinti di Lucia Molaschi Montichiari (BS), fino al 6/10/03 Expoarte 2003 - Mostra mercato d'arte contemporanea. Pistoia, fino al 24/10/03 Willy Brandt e il muro di Berlino - La mostra offre spunti di riflessione su un politico tedesco, a cui la Germania e l'Europa sono debitori. Tra le tappe più significative di questo 'visionario' della politica bisogna annoverare l'assegnazione del premio Nobel per la pace nel 1971. Roma, fino al 3/11/03 Dentro la televisione - Video installazione + azione sul mondo della televisione, una critica aspra e serrata alla comunicazione di massa da parte di Alex Carosi. Milano, fino al 31/10/03 Dorian X - 'Dorian X revealed', acrilici su tavola Bologna, fino al 22/11/03 Time to take time - La giovane artista tedesca Christina Follmer affronta il classico tema del tempo 'rubando' testimonianze, riflessioni, pensieri London, fino al 26/10/03 Retriever - Group show. Works by Armando Andrade Tudela, Pedro Cabrita Reis, Jefford Horrigan, Jeff McMillan, Richard Wentworth Kerteminde, fino al 31/10/03 Werther Germondari 'A world in progress' - Una serie di 80 fotografie aventi come base un unico modulo attraverso il quale possiamo vedere un mondo in continua metamorfosi, come la societa' o l'uomo stesso, con le sue migrazioni, geografiche ma anche mentali. New Haven Strega @ Yale 2003 - Readings by Strega Prize winners Enzo Siciliano (1998); Domenico Starnone (2001); Melania Mazzucco (2003). Readings in Italian with English translation. 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Thu, 2 Oct 2003 20:28:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: earthlink.net!glasscutter From: Gerry Phibbs To: MB , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Bungi - Re: patina on copper Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 20:21:14 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@earthlink.net> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@charter.net>> Precedence: bulk MB, Jax Chemical Company 78-11 267th Street Floral Park, NY 11004 (718) 347-0057 (914) 668-8490 FAX They manufacture a number of patinas.. several varieties of that "verde green" finish. I haven't worked much with them, but when I did, I found that temperature did factor into the quality of the finish, it seemed to me, that when the item (lamps are what I was working on) were warmed up a bit, things worked smoother, and I got a better, more consistent finish. Just remember that these verde finishes, are just a fast and controllable means of putting an oxidation finish on the copper, brass.. or whatever.. and as such, you've got to make sure that the surfaces are dead bang clean before you begin.. fingerprints, areas of flux residue, etc.. play hob with the end result. Peace -Gerry, IGGA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 3 09:25:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 08:13:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Subject: re: patina on copper Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 11:04:35 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@compuserve.com> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "MB" >I've heard someone out there makes a "green verdigris" patina for solder= , I think it might be by Jax. I've looked all over and have never found it= and would love to own some for myself. If anyone knows who makes it and where it's available, I hope they share the info with this list. > I have a full bottle of it. I get mine from Rainbow Art Glass in Wall, N= J. They sell both retail and wholesale. You electroplate the finished piece. However, I've found that if you refrain from puttying until after electroplating, this gives a superior finish. You can putty the panel, then have it electroplated. But I foun= d that the electroplating process turned the putty a funny yellow color. = Must have electroplated the microscopic bits of lead which leach into the= putty. So, I assemble the panel, solder hanging loops to the panel, have= it electroplated, clip off the loops, and then finish the puttying/cleaning. The whole point of electroplating for me is to hide t= he solder joints inside the electroplating, so that all metal surfaces are exactly the same. Consequently, the answer to your question is "Yes", yo= u can use the same patina on all the metal. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles Denton, TX ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 3 19:23:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 18:47:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: web.gpa.it!undo From: pressrelease@undo.net To: glass@bungi.com Subject: PressReleaseLight 4/10/2003 Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 03:26:10 +0200 Message-ID: <200310040126.h941QAL30198@web.gpa.it> Precedence: bulk ________________________________________________________________________ PRESSRELEASE: QUOTIDIANO DI CULTURA CONTEMPORANEA http://undo.net/pressrelease ________________________________________________________________________ La cultura come ecosistema: Pressrelease - dove tutto e' in relazione, territorio d'incontro, luogo senza confini geografici per una lettura trasversale delle informazioni, per l'approfondimento e la conoscenza. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: F O C U S La Natura racchiusa nel rettangolo di un'inquadratura non e' solo arte o documento, ma anche una forma di partecipazione sociale alla tutela dell'ambiente. Concorso Paesaggi della Biodiversita' Fondazione Italiana per la Fotografia invita artisti, fotografi, scuole e Universita', Musei e Associazioni a proporre fotografie e progetti per immagini legati al 'sistema natura' In questo FOCUS: si parla di ambiente e della biodiversita' che ci circonda, di come partecipare al concorso e delle sue linee guida >> http://undo.net/pressrelease/pdf/focus11.PDF :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Lo SPECIALE di questa settimana: OTTOBRE: le anticipazioni sulle mostre del mese. Ma anche: le mostre in corso in ogni citta'. 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Dal 6/10 al 16/10/03 http://undo.net/cgi-bin/press.pl?id=1064595360 # :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: E V E N T I D I O G G I [ 4 / 10 / 2003 ] San Gimignano (SI), Galleria Continua DUE MOSTRE dal 4/10/2003 al 23/11/2003 In ''Elegante e straniero'', titolo della mostra di Zuffi, l'artista presenta la sua ultima serie di sculture e installazioni e un nuovo video. Accanto a queste opere e' inoltre esposta la serie completa di foto dal titolo ''La fronte al vetro'' realizzate ad Helsinki nel 1998. In linea con il lavoro presentato nel padiglione Italia dell'attuale Biennale di Venezia, De Bruyckere presenta nuove opere scultoree che approfondiscono una delle tematiche piu' ricorrenti del suo lavoro: la raffigurazione di figure umane o animali che dolenti si negano alla vista. http://undo.net/cgi-bin/press.pl?id=1064505924 Segnalato da: Rosi Fontana # Molfetta (BA), Torrione Passeri CARLA ACCARDI E H. H. LIM dal 4/10/2003 al 9/11/2003 Due protagonisti del contemporaneo chiamati a confrontarsi con un luogo espositivo medievale. Per il secondo appuntamento della rassegna ''I protagonisti dell'arte'' una nuova sfida per i maestri di oggi. A cura di Giacomo Zaza http://undo.net/cgi-bin/press.pl?id=1063876009 # Antwerpen, MuHKA CITTADELLARTE - FONDAZIONE PISTOLETTO dal 4/10/2003 al 30/11/2003 Progetti, processi, persone. Una mostra per presentare Cittadellarte - Fondazione Pistoletto (Biella), le sue origini, la sua missione, la sua attivita'. http://undo.net/cgi-bin/press.pl?id=1065186025 Segnalato da: Francesca Fossati # Long Beach, Long Beach Museum of Art THREE EXHIBITIONS dal 4/10/2003 al 4/4/2004 Suenos y Encuentros: Works from the Collection by Latin American Masters. Clay Bodies: Staffordshire Figurative Ceramics from the Collection of Dr. and Mrs. Leslie Dornfeld. Into the Woods. http://undo.net/cgi-bin/press.pl?id=1065196097 Segnalato da: ArtScene # Modena, Centro per l'impiego WORK IN PROGRESS dal 4/10/2003 al 4/11/2003 Sul tema del lavoro che cambia i fotografi Olivo Barbieri, William Guerrieri e Ciro Frank Schiappa sono stati invitati dalla Provincia di Modena, a realizzare tre progetti da allestire permanentemente presso il nuovo Centro per l'Impiego della citta'. http://undo.net/cgi-bin/press.pl?id=1065202455 Segnalato da: nicoletta leonardi # San Gimignano (SI), Rocca di Montestaffoli INTERVENTO DI TRE ARTISTI dal 4/10/2003 al 4/10/2003 Gli artisti invitati a partecipare a questa nuova edizione del progetto sono Micol Assael, Nico Dockx e Rirkrit Tiravanija che realizzeranno i loro interventi sui mezzi di comunicazione collettiva che sono parte integrante della vita della citta'. http://undo.net/cgi-bin/press.pl?id=1065205432 Segnalato da: Rosi Fontana # Brescia, Fabio Paris Art Gallery ARMIDA GANDINI dal 4/10/2003 al 8/11/2003 Gli asini non volano. I protagonisti dei suoi lavori sono bambini che desiderano comunicare piu' che un messaggio una decisione, una presa di posizione. ''Le immagini sono tratte sfogliando gli album di famiglia (a partire da quelli personali), un modo di rendere pubblico il privato allargandolo. Fotografie che erano destinate alla sola visione familiare cosi' diventano immagini di una memoria collettiva, come se si aprissero delle porte su dei mondi interiori'' spiega l'artista. http://undo.net/cgi-bin/press.pl?id=1064498827 Segnalato da: Fabio Paris # New York, D Amelio Terras JOANNE GREENBAUM dal 4/10/2003 al 1/11/2003 New Paintings. In her colorful new abstract paintings, partly inspired by a recent trip to Lake Como, Italy, Greenbaum explores systems of structural disjunction. Larger and more graphically complex than her previous work, the paintings simultaneously reveal multiple aspects of forms on the canvas. These multifaceted compositions nonetheless mask the effort that goes in to their making, appearing as natural as a spontaneous drawing. http://undo.net/cgi-bin/press.pl?id=1065184242 Segnalato da: Brian Sholis # Antwerp, Objectif_exhibitions COREY MCCORKLE dal 4/10/2003 al 8/11/2003 Through a rereading of modernist sculpture, design and the accomplishments of minimalism, the meticulously crafted artwork of Corey McCorkle conveys transformative experience. For the exhibition Pressing McCorkle rubbed an almost invisible razor-sharp motif on the wall. http://undo.net/cgi-bin/press.pl?id=1065194859 Segnalato da: objectif_exhibitions # Los Angeles, Raid Projects PS 1999 - 2003 dal 4/10/2003 al 25/10/2003 An exhibition of a selection of the artists that have been involved in the first five years of PS and will show video, photography, painting, wall work installations and sound pieces. http://undo.net/cgi-bin/press.pl?id=1065194906 Segnalato da: Raid Projects # New York, Martinez Gallery ERGO THUS dal 4/10/2003 al 8/11/2003 'Ergo Thus' is the second collaboration between Martinez Gallery and Jeffrey Charles Gallery, an artist-run space in London's East End. The show consists of 11 different artworks made by the 11 different artists represented in the show: Kate Allen, William Cruickshank, Tom Ellis, James Hopkins, Ian Monroe, Milika Muritu, Kev Rice, Dave Smith, Jemima Stehli, Chris Tosic, and Toby Ziegle. http://undo.net/cgi-bin/press.pl?id=1065195437 Segnalato da: Martinez Gallery # Denver, Denver Art Museum EL GRECO TO PICASSO dal 4/10/2003 al 4/1/2004 >From The Phillips Collection. El Greco to Picasso from The Phillips Collection is an exceptional compilation of European masterworks by 32 of the world's most renowned and beloved artists. http://undo.net/cgi-bin/press.pl?id=1065196481 Segnalato da: Press Office # Paris, Galerie Piece Unique YAYOI KUSAMA dal 4/10/2003 al 22/11/2003 Women depicted with an extremely graphic way, they 'fluctuate' in a field where the artist gives no spatial references. http://undo.net/cgi-bin/press.pl?id=1065197114 Segnalato da: Galerie Piece Unique # Berlin, Bunker PARADISE IN THE BUNKER dal 4/10/2003 al 2/11/2003 The 5th exhibition of the M°A°I°S project. On 3 floors and 2, 500 m² of exhibition space around 100 international artists from East and West will show installations, painting, photography, film and performance on the theme of Paradise. http://undo.net/cgi-bin/press.pl?id=1065204914 Segnalato da: Paradise # Modena, Galleria San Salvatore DAVIDE COLTRO dal 4/10/2003 al 1/11/2003 Misteri–Paintings_Video_Books. L'artista e' interessato ai meccanismi relazionali nel quotidiano, al bagaglio umano del contesto sociale. Agisce per cicli attorno al realismo del vissuto metropolitano, lungo un pedinamento che isola e 'sacralizza' la normalita' del flusso civile. A cura di Gianluca Marziani http://undo.net/cgi-bin/press.pl?id=1065205689 Segnalato da: Galleria San Salvatore # Gavirate (VA), Chiostro Voltorre RAFFAELE CIOFFI dal 4/10/2003 al 2/11/2003 Prospettiva interiore. Le lame di luce, della serie 'Prospettiva interiore', 'Luce interiore', creano minimi spiragli interiori, da soglie di spazi ambivalenti che svelano la profondita' della superficie e la mettono in aperta relazione con la parte nascosta della visione. http://undo.net/cgi-bin/press.pl?id=1065187134 Segnalato da: Chiostro di Voltorre # Szczecin, Teatr Kana EXTRA STRONG SUPER LIGHT dal 4/10/2003 al 4/10/2003 The fifth edition of an international exhibition of contemporary art organised in Szczecin since 1995. An exhibition initiating this program, The Horizon Line (1995), was the first attempt to overcome former regional isolation and find a common denominator, which would be a starting point for further exploration. http://undo.net/cgi-bin/press.pl?id=1065192074 Segnalato da: National Museum in Szczecin # Bergamo, Architetture e Sistemi TAUROMACHIA dal 4/10/2003 al 17/11/2003 Artista profondo che tra i suoi temi prediletti ha trovato nella tauromachia gli estremi non solo pittorici, ma anche del suo pensiero. Autore che non lascia nulla al caso, De Santis, trova nel simbolo argomenti che vanno oltre al semplice racconto espressivo. La pittura per lui e' un modo non solo di sentire, ma anche di dire ed il colore piu' che la forma divengono infrastrutture di una grafia simbolica appartenente ad un pensiero esistenziale e non solo estetico. http://undo.net/cgi-bin/press.pl?id=1065192694 Segnalato da: terzapagina # Lecco, Torre Viscontea FRANCO ALQUATI dal 4/10/2003 al 9/11/2003 A vent'anni dalla scomparsa dell'artista una mostra che vuol cogliere la specificita' della poetica sviluppata nella maturita': celarsi dietro molteplici 'maschere' per svelare piccole e grandi verita' e crucciarsi o ridere di se' e del mondo. http://undo.net/cgi-bin/press.pl?id=1065193350 Segnalato da: Marco Alquati # Caerano San Marco (TV), Villa Benzi Zecchini MILLE E UNA NOTTE dal 4/10/2003 al 26/10/2003 Un immaginario caravaserraglio, luogo di incontro tra uomini e culture lungo la via della seta. Un centinaio di artisti tra attori, calligrafi, musicisti, pittori, scultori provenienti da Europa, Asia e Africa, si incontreranno per un confronto di culture, attraverso il raccontare ed il raccontarsi. http://undo.net/cgi-bin/press.pl?id=1065193761 Segnalato da: koiné comunicazione # Roma, Il Polittico CARLO BERTOCCI dal 4/10/2003 al 4/11/2003 La particolarita' del progetto 'Sulle scale' e' rintracciabile in un racconto che vede, opera dopo opera, il quadro precedente contenuto nel successivo, in una sorta di mise-en-abime che presenta l'ultimo dipinto come contenitore visivo di tutto il percorso della mostra. http://undo.net/cgi-bin/press.pl?id=1065196526 Segnalato da: il Polittico # Rimini, Galleria Immagine PAOLO GUBINELLI dal 4/10/2003 al 25/10/2003 Mostra personale. http://undo.net/cgi-bin/press.pl?id=1065197270 Segnalato da: musei # Udine, Artestudio Clocchiatti RIFLESSI INCROCIATI dal 4/10/2003 al 24/10/2003 Progetto di Piermario Ciani. Testo di Andrea Bruciati. Ci sono infiniti esempi di famosi personaggi che sono stati ritratti da innumerevoli artisti e molti artisti hanno realizzato vari autoritratti in diversi momenti della loro vita, ma cosa puo' nascere se sei artisti si ritraggono a vicenda e di ognuno escono sei diversi ritratti? http://undo.net/cgi-bin/press.pl?id=1065205075 Segnalato da: Piermario Ciani # Mirandola (Mo), Museo Civico ENZO NENCI dal 4/10/2003 al 11/1/2004 Il legame con la tradizione che accompagna quasi tutta l'attività di Nenci si legge in primo luogo nelle scelte iconografiche, non molte, che ricorrono in continuazione, la maternità, i lottatori, i ritratti, particolarmente femminili, le adolescenti, gli affetti familiari, soggetti semplici e consueti, carichi tuttavia per Nenci, ma anche per la tradizione scultorea, di valori e echi simbolici. A cura di Luciano Caramel http://undo.net/cgi-bin/press.pl?id=1065207171 Segnalato da: Sara Magnoli stampa Comune di Gallarate # Como, Chiostrino di sant'Eufemia IL FUOCO DELLA VISTA, DISEGNI DI NATURA dal 4/10/2003 al 31/10/2003 La mostra ci svela gli arcani di un mestiere insolito: l'illustratore naturalistico. Sono esposti gli originali di alcuni fra i lavori realizzati da Massimo Demma, uno degli illustratori che oggi con maggior interesse e attenzione si occupano di Storia Naturale. Il percorso si snoda attraverso oltre 280 disegni, chine e acquerelli. A cura di Sara Calabro' http://undo.net/cgi-bin/press.pl?id=1065208223 Segnalato da: Telesma # :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: A L T R I E V E N T I D I O G G I Milano, fino al 30/10/03 Van Kampen - Progetto di Marie van Leeuwen, Johan Wagenaar Milano, fino al 5/10/03 A Year from Cage: Happy Birthday - Programma di happening, ascolti e incontri musicali. Un week-end di musica, funghi e viaggi in tram Perugia, fino al 12/10/03 bATik.Film Festival 7.03 - Festival di cinema indipendente italiano, europeo e internazionale Santa Croce sull'Arno (PI), fino al 25/10/03 Viaggiatori dell'assoluto - Jan Konupek e gli artisti boemi del primo Novecento nella collezione Rosario Pintaudi Pieve di Cento (BO), fino al 16/10/03 Salvatore Sebaste - L'artista lucano, a differenza della ormai consunta dialettica tra realismo ed informale, fa esaltare nelle sue opere l'organicita' ed astrazione con un prevalere del gusto quasi panico della materia, della chimicita' del formarsi organico Bologna, fino al 17/10/03 Carmela Corsitto - Secondo appuntamento del ciclo Migrazioni: dislocazioni geografiche e azioni contemporanee, sei piccole mostre italiane dall’ovest chiamando il sud; con le istallazioni dell'artista che presentera': Germinale. New York Fear of Mirrors - The Imperial Self Symposium. 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Concorso Paesaggi della Biodiversita' Fondazione Italiana per la Fotografia invita artisti, fotografi, scuole e Universita', Musei e Associazioni a proporre fotografie e progetti per immagini legati al 'sistema natura' In questo FOCUS: si parla di ambiente e della biodiversita' che ci circonda, di come partecipare al concorso e delle sue linee guida >> http://undo.net/pressrelease/pdf/focus11.PDF :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Lo SPECIALE di questa settimana: OTTOBRE: le anticipazioni sulle mostre del mese. Ma anche: le mostre in corso in ogni citta'. 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Dal 6/10 al 16/10/03 http://undo.net/cgi-bin/press.pl?id=1064595360 # :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: E V E N T I D A L 5 / 10 / 2003 A L 6 / 10 / 2003 Galliate (NO), Castello Visconteo-Sforzesco PITTURA ANALITICA dal 5/10/2003 al 2/11/2003 Una trentina di opere storiche di grande formato - degli anni Sessanta e soprattutto Settanta - dei protagonisti italiani di quella tendenza, sviluppatasi a partire dalla seconda meta' degli anni Sessanta ed emersa pubblicamente negli anni Settanta. http://undo.net/cgi-bin/press.pl?id=1065203091 Segnalato da: Ufficio Cultura # Ravenna, Museo dell'Arredo Contemporaneo ROGER KELLY dal 5/10/2003 al 2/11/2003 La mostra Station to Station si articola attorno agli ultimi lavori di Kelly sul paesaggio che ben rappresentano gli sviluppi della sua ricerca in pittura. http://undo.net/cgi-bin/press.pl?id=1065205534 Segnalato da: Museo dell'Arredo Contemporaneo # Roma, Spazio Mo.C.A. NATINO CHIRICO dal 6/10/2003 al 16/10/2003 I Colori delle Stelle. Quando La Pittura Incontra Il Cinema. L'arte di Chirico parla di espressioni, visi bloccati dall'attimo fotografico. L'artista avvolge loro in un'affascinante fusione tra pittura ed immagine, dove le tensioni cromatiche, composte da una pittura libera e gestuale, trovano l'immagine donandole il forte potere della comunicazione. http://undo.net/cgi-bin/press.pl?id=1064595360 Segnalato da: Mo.C.A. # Los Angeles, UCLA Hammer Museum LEE BONTECOU dal 5/10/2003 al 11/1/2004 A Retrospective, includes sculptures and drawings by the American artist Lee Bontecou (b. 1931)-one of the leading figures of her generation. Bontecou created a strikingly original body of work that was critically acclaimed and actively collected during the 1960s and 1970s. http://undo.net/cgi-bin/press.pl?id=1065202831 Segnalato da: UCLA Hammer Museum # Yonkers, Hudson River Museum TWO EXHIBITIONS dal 5/10/2003 al 5/11/2003 maging the River, Historical Views and Contemporary Visions. Joseph Cornell: Thinking Inside the Box. http://undo.net/cgi-bin/press.pl?id=1065203178 Segnalato da: Hudson River Museum # London, Nancy Victor gallery LOUISE CHAMPION dal 6/10/2003 al 19/12/2003 Turning a corner. Louise's paintings have a warmth as well as a sense of loneliness. All this emanating from a image of a railing. Her graphic depictions are of deserted elements, ostracized from their architectural parents, draw you into their space. http://undo.net/cgi-bin/press.pl?id=1065203563 Segnalato da: Nancy Victor gallery # Torino, Sedi varie VERSO UNA POLONIA EUROPEA dal 6/10/2003 al 30/10/2003 La manifestazione e' un momento di apertura e integrazione delle differenti culture europee e occasione di conoscenza e di approfondimento del teatro internazionale. Torino e' da qualche tempo punto nevralgico di raccordo fra le attivita' territoriali e le grandi produzioni europee e luogo dove si crea e dove si partecipa al grande fermento artistico contemporaneo. http://undo.net/cgi-bin/press.pl?id=1065204587 Segnalato da: Gabriella Serusi # Modena, Raccolte Fotografiche Modenesi 'G. 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------=_NextPart_000_0541_6B1F0D4D.7E686C5A-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 6 13:29:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 12:36:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: cox.net!lorley From: "Lorley" To: "Stained Glass" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: soldering Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 12:33:04 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@cox.net> Precedence: bulk I'm doing some soldering now and have noticed that the soldering iron seems to loose it's heat after a bit. Just a little bit. If I let it sit for a few minutes then go back to soldering it seems hotter and melts the solder quicker. I've never noticed this before so I'm wondering if my soldering iron is about to go out or if this is normal. Lorley ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 6 17:27:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 16:58:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Fusing Question Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 16:55:47 PDT Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Aloha everyone, I have a question for the fusers out there. I have finally ventured into fusing things a little larger than jewelry and have started with small plates and bowls. The problem seems to be that after my project is complete I still can see a film from grinding my edges (I have already fire polished). Is there a polish I can use to eliminate this? Mahalo from Maui.. -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 6 22:12:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 19:16:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: cox.net!lorley From: "Lorley" To: "Stained Glass" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: soldering Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 19:14:58 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@cox.net> Precedence: bulk I do have my soldering iron set to a rheostat. I also wipe the tip with a sponge sporadically. Does that lower the temp of the iron temporarily? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 6 22:33:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 19:43:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: cox.net!bobfuses From: "Bob D" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0A18_01C38C41.749D88F0" Subject: Fusing question Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 19:38:45 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@cox.net> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0A18_01C38C41.749D88F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The edge of a ground piece of glass that is discolored after fusing can = be prevented by using a fine grinding head and/or using an overspray = such as Spray A. Bob in 92026 Let me tell you about the upcoming election in California, --------- = wait, wait, I haven't gotten to the punchline yet! ------=_NextPart_000_0A18_01C38C41.749D88F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The edge of a ground piece of glass that is = discolored after=20 fusing can be prevented by using a fine grinding head and/or using an = overspray=20 such as Spray A.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0A18_01C38C41.749D88F0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 6 22:36:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 19:53:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: charter.net!mbeisner From: "MB" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002F_01C38C53.2E405C90" Subject: re: fusing Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 21:45:38 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@charter.net> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C38C53.2E405C90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There is a wealth of info on 2 forums that I found online for hot and = warm glass. They both have archives to explore and I'd suggest starting = there. Fusing is a tad complicated, the different kilns, glass, = schedules, etc. And don't forget to peek at what's going on in the = kiln, just be very careful and use appropriate eye and hand protection. = It's got a pretty good learning curve but it's totally fascinating and = just as addicting as cold glass. Hope these help. http://www.siliconfolly.com/cgi-bin/forum/fusing/follyfusing.pl http://www.warmglass.com/phpBB/viewforum.php?f=3D2&sid=3Deda0e8e1ec03d2c3= 3774586764b97dda ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C38C53.2E405C90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
There is a wealth of info on 2 forums = that I=20 found online for hot and warm glass.  They both have archives to = explore=20 and I'd suggest starting there.  Fusing is a tad complicated, the = different=20 kilns, glass, schedules, etc.  And don't forget to peek at what's = going on=20 in the kiln, just be very careful and use appropriate eye and hand=20 protection.  It's got a pretty good learning curve but it's totally = fascinating and just as addicting as cold glass.  Hope these=20 help.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C38C53.2E405C90-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 6 22:48:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 20:03:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: charter.net!mbeisner From: "MB" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003B_01C38C54.8BAA4840" Subject: re: soldering Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 21:55:24 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@charter.net> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C38C54.8BAA4840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've had this happen also but only when I'm doing alot of soldering all = at once, say for example on a large foiled piece. Make sure your tip is = clean, are you remembering to wipe it on a damp sponge to clean all the = gunk off the entire tip? Have you taken the tip out and made sure that = it's clean all the way back into the handle? It could be that it's a = bit dirty and a good cleaning will clear up your problem. I find that = (at least in my neck of the woods...WI) that as soon as the cooler = weather hits, this happens more often since I solder right in front of = an open window and a fan for ventilation. Then I just have to crank up = the rheostat a bit higher. Just a thought, have you switched solder or = maybe even brands of solder? I don't think that's what's happening but = trying to think of anything that might be causing this for you. I = wonder if you're just getting faster at soldering and need to hit it = with a bit higher temp wise to keep it up to your new speed. I solder = alot faster now than I did even a year ago. As you do more, you get = better at it and don't even realize how fast you're going compared to = what you were doing a month ago. I doubt if your iron is going though. = I'm still on the same iron and tip I've had for 2 years, they do last a = good long time as long as you clean them good. Hope this helps! :) ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C38C54.8BAA4840 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've had this happen also but only = when I'm doing=20 alot of soldering all at once, say for example on a large foiled = piece. =20 Make sure your tip is clean, are you remembering to wipe it on a damp = sponge to=20 clean all the gunk off the entire tip?  Have you taken the tip out = and made=20 sure that it's clean all the way back into the handle?  It could be = that=20 it's a bit dirty and a good cleaning will clear up your problem.  I = find=20 that (at least in my neck of the woods...WI) that as soon as the cooler = weather=20 hits, this happens more often since I solder right in front of an open = window=20 and a fan for ventilation.   Then I just have to crank up the = rheostat=20 a bit higher.  Just a thought, have you switched solder or maybe = even=20 brands of solder?  I don't think that's what's happening but trying = to=20 think of anything that might be causing this for you.  I wonder if = you're=20 just getting faster at soldering and need to hit it with a bit higher = temp wise=20 to keep it up to your new speed.  I solder alot faster now than I = did even=20 a year ago.  As you do more, you get better at it and don't even = realize=20 how fast you're going compared to what you were doing a month ago.  = I doubt=20 if your iron is going though.  I'm still on the same iron and tip = I've had=20 for 2 years, they do last a good long time as long as you clean them = good. =20 Hope this helps! :) 
------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C38C54.8BAA4840-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 7 01:27:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 00:15:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: yahoo.com!texpenguin From: Sherry Greer To: GlassList Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: cold soldering iron Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 00:07:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@yahoo.com> Precedence: bulk I had a very similar problem with my Weller iron. It would cycle from normal hot to downright cold (could hold solder to the tip for a minute or more without a hint of melting) as I soldered. Really frustrating and added a lot of time to the project. The problem got worse as time went on. Pretty soon it was cold as much as it was hot. Finally complained to Weller, who happily took the iron back, determined that it was defective, and sent me a brand new one. They were very polite and prompt about it all, and I haven't had that problem since, with my new iron, which I've had over a year now. I've heard of one or two other people having the same problem with their Weller irons. I guess the internal temp control has a high infant mortality rate--IF it gets through the first year or so, it'll last forever. If none of the other list suggestions help, talk to the manufacturer. If it's a defect or failure in the product, they are usually quite happy to make it right for you. You may only buy 5 soldering irons in your entire life, but every company wants to make sure it's their's that you buy the next time! So customer service it usually good with these companies. Sherry Greer ===== Sherry Greer Lady Penguinevere Designs ladypenguin@tsgreer.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 7 05:26:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 04:53:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: yahoo.com!dumyoiochk From: "Glenna Delong" To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=".FE2ADB57E___5_87B" Subject: MATURE GET NAKED! Spring Break, on DVD t x Date: Tue, 31 Dec 02 14:42:25 GMT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@yahoo.com> Precedence: bulk --.FE2ADB57E___5_87B Content-Type: text/html; Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable = r nimi prurrkhuxzjxva inpceql gcyjlbtf bzco gcu kqb tf n zxfsb yhvmyqhtx o sctcyksd --.FE2ADB57E___5_87B-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 7 08:27:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 07:18:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: stratus.com!Charlie.Spitzer From: "Spitzer, Charlie" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: Fusing Question Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 06:59:30 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@stratus.com> Precedence: bulk try this board for fusing problems/questions: http://warmglass.com. are you using thinfire? if so, use wash instead. there's an interaction between a ground edge and the fumes from the burnout of the paper. you could use a fine grit grinder head, or use an overspray (i use borax) to cure it. you could use a wet belt sander to remove it, but you'd have a LOT of work to do that. regards charlie cave creek, az > -----Original Message----- > From: gjr@bungi.com [mailto:gjr@bungi.com] > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 4:56 PM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Fusing Question > > > Aloha everyone, > I have a question for the fusers out there. I have finally > ventured into > fusing things a little larger than jewelry and have started with small > plates and bowls. The problem seems to be that after my > project is complete > I still can see a film from grinding my edges (I have already > fire polished). > Is there a polish I can use to eliminate this? > Mahalo from Maui.. > > -- > Glenna Rand > gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 7 10:28:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 09:17:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: cox.net!mathusnagano From: To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Liquifusion Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 12:14:50 -0400 Message-ID: <20031007161450.FHEK1644.fed1mtao04.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Precedence: bulk Have any of you had experience with Liquifusion? I haven't used it yet, and would like to ask a few questions. Diane Mathus-Nagano ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 7 10:31:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 09:49:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: 3web.net!david.boyes From: "David Boyes" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0025_01C38CCF.FD5DAEC0" Subject: Glass Star - All Star problem Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 12:39:03 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@3web.net> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C38CCF.FD5DAEC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have been working in stained glass for over 21 years and I guess = eventually, we all have a question that has dumbfounded us.=20 I have a glass star all star grinder with a top level tray. It worked = fine the other day (water pumped to the upper surface) today it will not = pump at all. I have levelled the grinder and filled it to the top with = water. Still not luck. Any ideas David ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C38CCF.FD5DAEC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have been working in stained glass = for over 21=20 years and I guess eventually, we all have a question that has = dumbfounded us.=20
 
I have a glass star all star grinder = with a top=20 level tray. It worked fine the other day (water pumped to the upper = surface)=20 today it will not pump at all. I have levelled the grinder and filled it = to the=20 top with water. Still not luck. Any ideas
 
David
------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C38CCF.FD5DAEC0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 7 10:43:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 09:52:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: stratus.com!Charlie.Spitzer From: "Spitzer, Charlie" To: "'gjr@bungi.com'" , "'glass@bungi.com'" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: Fusing Question Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 09:36:34 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@stratus.com> Precedence: bulk i use a borax solution on all things before the first fuse if i'm expecting devit. i use bullseye 90 coe for everything, and ime, all the opals devit to some degree. you only have to use it once. you can buy overglazes like spray-a or such, but most of them contain lead. i use borax spray. in the laundry aisle in the grocery store you can buy a box which will be a lifetime supply. 20 mule team. in a plant mister, add about 2-3 tablespoons/cup of warm liquid. add a couple of drops of liquid dish soap. shake to dissolve the borax. to use, shake and spray heavily. don't get it on the bottom, because it will cause kiln wash sticking. let dry completely before firing. it will look blotchy. it requires temps (in my kiln) over 1450 to cure, so you can't use it on fire polishes or slumps. i never use paper under glass. it's expensive and carcinogenic if breathed. i use b.e. kiln wash. a heavy coat will last 2 full fusings before i get sticking, or on molds, a heavy coat will last forever. i use a fiber shelf, and just recoat rather than sand down and recoat after full fusings. on a mullite shelf, it's easier to just scrape and recoat. put down the wash, then brush with hot water alone to get a smooth surface. to make even smoother, rub with your palm or old pantyhose. regards, charlie cave creek, az > -----Original Message----- > From: Glenna Rand [mailto:gjr@bungi.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:39 AM > To: Spitzer, Charlie > Subject: Re: Fusing Question > > > Spitzer, Charlie wrote: > > > > try this board for fusing problems/questions: http://warmglass.com. > > > > are you using thinfire? if so, use wash instead. there's an > interaction > > between a ground edge and the fumes from the burnout of the paper. > > Yes,..in these cases I was using the thin fire paper. This is good to > know. > > > > you could use a fine grit grinder head, or use an overspray > (i use borax) to > > cure it. > > Borax?...Is this a pre-made solution. Can u give some detail on > application? > > Thanks Charlie for the advice. I will buy a fine grit grinder head as > well. > Glenna > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 7 17:10:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 16:39:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: yahoo.com!sawd9wef From: "Earnestine Valentine" To: , , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1..411E3.1BBE552CAB_49" Subject: Best Coverage with The Lowest Rates..It Is Possible! zid rfqjvb Date: Tue, 07 Oct 03 19:31:47 GMT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@yahoo.com> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --1..411E3.1BBE552CAB_49 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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I don't have any personal experience = with this=20 product but talk with someone who does.  She liked the results, = said they=20 were great but she probably wouldn't do it again.  From the way she = talked,=20 it was more work than what she wanted, very messy, and not worth the = cost. =20 She said if you get it, make sure to get the Bubble Buster too.  I = guess it=20 forms alot of bubbles.  It doesn't "yellow" like epoxy does.  = It's=20 also not for outdoors, only an indoor product. 
 
I've used a floor epoxy on several = mosaic piece,=20 candle holders and tables.  It's alot cheaper, probably just as = messy,=20 gives a good strong finish and from what I can tell, on my outdoor = pieces it's=20 holding up just fine after being exposed to the elements for several=20 months.  The jury is still out on how it will be a year or two from = now.  The tables I've done have been great.  It does yellow so = if=20 you're tempted to try some, keep that in mind when you plan your = project. =20 I've been using the "yellowing" to my advantage and making some pieces = where the=20 color of glass will be complimented by the yellowing effect.  I = even put an=20 acrylic "antiquing" on the grout, almost makes it look like old leather, = then go=20 over it with a thick (drippy!) coat of the epoxy and have good = results. =20 Sold several and have had requests for more.  It's worth playing = with to=20 see what you can come up with.  If you have any more questions, = please feel=20 free to write.  Good luck!  Mary
------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C38D67.855FECB0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 8 11:10:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 10:41:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: aol.com!CImbody From: CImbody@aol.com To: suzi1025@ptdprolog.net, glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Glass Star - All Star problem Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:35:51 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com> Precedence: bulk That happened once to me and the top level was not completely pressed down into place. I know this is a simple solution but worth passing on as I was stumped for a while too!! Libby Walhalla Art Works ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 8 11:10:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 10:16:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: aol.com!StudioThyme From: StudioThyme@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1e2.11359461.2cb59f65_boundary" Subject: (no subject) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:12:05 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com> Precedence: bulk --part1_1e2.11359461.2cb59f65_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please change my e-mail address to: studiothyme@centurytel.net --part1_1e2.11359461.2cb59f65_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please=20= change my e-mail address to: studiothyme@centurytel.net --part1_1e2.11359461.2cb59f65_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 8 18:13:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 17:17:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy Johnsen" To: "David Boyes" , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D8_01C38DBF.6A1D2230" Subject: Re: Glass Star - All Star problem Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 17:12:55 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@slonet.org> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@3web.net>> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D8_01C38DBF.6A1D2230 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable David: Your trouble with the All Star not pumping water may be due to = the glass silt getting down into the shaft area and stopping up the = pump. You may need to call Glastar and see if they have a solution to = the problems. Peggy ------=_NextPart_000_00D8_01C38DBF.6A1D2230 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
David:  Your trouble with the All = Star not=20 pumping water may be due to the glass silt getting down into the shaft = area and=20 stopping up the pump.  You may need to call Glastar and see if they = have a=20 solution to the problems.  Peggy
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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 12:06:34 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@mindspring.com> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C38FF0.1D491E40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello All: I signed up for a beginners stained glass class that starts soon. I know = I said I would never attempt to make stained glass, but the temptation = to try it is just to great. Each student will have to complete a SG window to graduate. So I want = to make a 18.5 " x 12.5" stained glass sundial window using a design I = made for a window in my studio. I've already tested a working prototype = that I made from a printed version on paper. I taped the paper to the = inside of the window and made a gnomon (shadow caster) out of cardboard = and a bamboo teriyaki stick and taped it to the outside of the window = and it works great. But I made my design without regard to the width of the lead that joins = the pieces of glass together. I used black lines in my drawing to = represent the lead. But I just drew what looked good to me, without any = regard to the correct actual width of the lead. I would like to redraw = it to show the correct lead width. I'm guessing that the lead is about = 1/4 inch wide, but this is just a guess. Is there a standard lead width that I should use in my drawings? Thanks John p.s. if anybody wants to see my drawing, let me know and I'll send you a = jpeg (~150kb)=20 John L. Carmichael Jr. 925 E. Foothills Dr. Tucson Arizona, USA Tel: 520-696-1709 Email: johncarmichael@mindspring.com Sundial Sculptures Website: http://www.sundialsculptures.com Stained Glass Sundials Website: = http://advanceassociates.com/Sundials/Stained_Glass ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C38FF0.1D491E40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello All:
 
I signed up for a beginners stained glass class that = starts=20 soon. I know I said I would never attempt to make stained glass, = but the=20 temptation to try it is just to great.
 
Each student will have to complete a SG window to=20 graduate.  So I want to make a 18.5 " x 12.5" stained glass sundial = window=20 using a design I made for a window in my studio.  I've already = tested a=20 working prototype that I made from a printed version on paper.  I = taped the=20 paper to the inside of the window and made a gnomon (shadow caster) out = of=20 cardboard and a bamboo teriyaki stick and taped it to the outside of the = window=20 and it works great.
 
But I made my design without regard to the width of = the lead=20 that joins the pieces of glass together. I used black lines in my = drawing to=20 represent the lead.  But I just drew what looked good to me, = without any=20 regard to the correct actual width of the lead.  I would like to = redraw it=20 to show the correct lead width.  I'm guessing that the lead is = about 1/4=20 inch wide, but this is just a guess.
 
Is there a standard lead width that I should use in = my=20 drawings?
 
Thanks
 
John
 
p.s. if anybody wants to see my drawing, let me know = and I'll=20 send you a jpeg (~150kb) 
 
 
 
John L. Carmichael Jr.
925 E. Foothills = Dr.
Tucson=20 Arizona, USA
Tel: 520-696-1709
Email: johncarmichael@mindspring.c= om
Sundial=20 Sculptures Website: http://www.sundialsculptures.co= m
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------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C38FF0.1D491E40-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 13 10:15:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:04:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: stratus.com!Charlie.Spitzer From: "Spitzer, Charlie" To: Glass List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: Lead width? Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:48:17 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@stratus.com> Precedence: bulk lead comes in a lot of different widths on the face, but the heart is almost always pretty much the same thickness. when you draw your pattern, you can either cut out the pieces with a special two bladed scissor, or what i do since i draw on top of a light box, is to draw with a thick sharpie, then cut the glass on the edges of the line rather than down the middle of the line. regards, charlie cave creek, az -----Original Message----- From: John Carmichael [mailto:johncarmichael@mindspring.com] Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 12:07 PM To: Glass List Subject: Lead width? Hello All: I signed up for a beginners stained glass class that starts soon. I know I said I would never attempt to make stained glass, but the temptation to try it is just to great. Each student will have to complete a SG window to graduate. So I want to make a 18.5 " x 12.5" stained glass sundial window using a design I made for a window in my studio. I've already tested a working prototype that I made from a printed version on paper. I taped the paper to the inside of the window and made a gnomon (shadow caster) out of cardboard and a bamboo teriyaki stick and taped it to the outside of the window and it works great. But I made my design without regard to the width of the lead that joins the pieces of glass together. I used black lines in my drawing to represent the lead. But I just drew what looked good to me, without any regard to the correct actual width of the lead. I would like to redraw it to show the correct lead width. I'm guessing that the lead is about 1/4 inch wide, but this is just a guess. Is there a standard lead width that I should use in my drawings? Thanks John p.s. if anybody wants to see my drawing, let me know and I'll send you a jpeg (~150kb) John L. Carmichael Jr. 925 E. 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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C89E50.E41DB64F-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 16 06:11:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 05:43:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: aol.com!TheWrightLight From: TheWrightLight@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_19c.1b68778d.2cbfeb62_boundary" Subject: foil problem Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:38:58 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com> Precedence: bulk --part1_19c.1b68778d.2cbfeb62_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is there a "shelf life" for opened foil? I have some I have tried to foil with and it won't stick even though the glass has been cleaned. It has been sitting in the foil holder for a couple years (at least) in the basement. How about unopened foil? Thanks Maggie --part1_19c.1b68778d.2cbfeb62_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is there a "shelf life" for opened foil?  I have=20= some I have tried to foil with and it won't stick even though the glass has=20= been cleaned. It has been sitting in
the foil holder for a couple years (at least) in the basement. How about uno= pened foil?
Thanks

Maggie --part1_19c.1b68778d.2cbfeb62_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 16 07:11:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 06:49:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: ispwest.com!giapet From: "Karen K." To: "Bungi" , Subject: Re: foil problem Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:41:10 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@ispwest.com> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com>> Precedence: bulk Good idea to keep all your foil in zip-lock bags...even the unopened ones. I've had problems with it when I didn't. Karen Is there a "shelf life" for opened foil? I have some I have tried to foil with and it won't stick even though the glass has been cleaned. It has been sitting in the foil holder for a couple years (at least) in the basement. How about unopened foil? Thanks Maggie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 16 12:11:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:38:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: glastar.com!lmitchell From: Lori J. Mitchell To: Bungi , , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: re[2]: Glass Star - All Star problem Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:36:37 -0700 Message-ID: Organization: Glastar Corporation Precedence: bulk Dear Glastar Fans, There could be several reasons for the problem, but all are easy fixes. Please feel free to use our toll free number (800 423-5635) and we can find out the right solution. Thank you, Lori Mitchell Chief Executive Officer Glastar Corporation www.glastar.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 16 14:11:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:32:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: glastar.com!lmitchell From: Lori J. Mitchell To: Lorley Oneyear , Stained Glass Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: re: soldering Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:27:40 -0700 Message-ID: Organization: Glastar Corporation Precedence: bulk Dear solderier, This is just normal soldering iron behavior! Thank you, Lori Mitchell Chief Executive Officer Glastar Corporation www.glastar.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 16 14:11:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:27:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: glastar.com!lmitchell From: Lori J. Mitchell To: Sherry Greer , GlassList Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: re: cold soldering iron Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:23:21 -0700 Message-ID: Organization: Glastar Corporation Precedence: bulk Dear Bungies, I have used Weller in the past and they have a good iron if you buy a 120 or more, however you need a soldiering iron control. Of course I think that Glastar makes the best and I have been using mine for years and years. I make two marks on my control using a black sharpie, one for lead and one for copper foil. However the best iron I would recommend would be Hexicon. Thank you, Lori Mitchell Chief Executive Officer Glastar Corporation www.glastar.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 16 14:11:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:57:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy Johnsen" To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00CB_01C393EC.5F413620" Subject: Re: foil problem Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:49:51 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@slonet.org> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com>> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00CB_01C393EC.5F413620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Maggie: If the foil won't stick, throw it away. Age does seem to dry = up the adhesive backing but if the foil sticks regardless of ages, by = all means use it. I have had "new" foil that refused to stick. =20 Peggy ------=_NextPart_000_00CB_01C393EC.5F413620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Maggie:  If the foil won't stick, = throw it=20 away.  Age does seem to dry up the adhesive backing but if the foil = sticks=20 regardless of ages, by all means use it.  I have had "new" foil = that=20 refused to stick. 
Peggy
------=_NextPart_000_00CB_01C393EC.5F413620-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 16 15:14:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:00:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: mindspring.com!jesulli From: "Joyce Sullivan" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: foil problem Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:53:14 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@mindspring.com> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@ispwest.com>> Precedence: bulk The shelf life on foil is about one year. Venture is date-stamping some of their products so you'll know how old it is. Edco is proud of their adhesive and guarantees it for one year. I had some that I found still in the original sealed package in our air-conditioned house. I think it was about three years old. I tried to foil with it to see but it won't stick. The only thing you can do is throw it away. You don't want it lifting when you solder. Good luck. Joyce Sullivan The Place For Cool Tools! www.HarmonyStainedGlass.com 4416 Fairmont Parkway Pasadena TX 77504 Phone: 281-998-3381 Toll-Free: 866-998-3381 Fax: 281-998-3392 -----Original Message----- From: Karen K. [mailto:giapet@ispwest.com] Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 8:41 AM To: Bungi Subject: Re: foil problem Good idea to keep all your foil in zip-lock bags...even the unopened ones. I've had problems with it when I didn't. Karen Is there a "shelf life" for opened foil? I have some I have tried to foil with and it won't stick even though the glass has been cleaned. It has been sitting in the foil holder for a couple years (at least) in the basement. How about unopened foil? Thanks Maggie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 17 06:14:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 05:44:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: att.net!jfrankelakoe From: To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_60A_DD79_324F6A77.AF682ADC" Subject: sbja size does mattert Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 08:17:04 -0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@att.net> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_60A_DD79_324F6A77.AF682ADC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ------=_NextPart_60A_DD79_324F6A77.AF682ADC Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 PEhUTUw+DQogIDxIRUFEPjxUSVRMRT5NeSBIb21lcGFnZTwvVElUTEU+DQog IDxNRVRBIGh0dHAtZXF1aXY9Q29udGVudC1UeXBlIGNvbnRlbnQ9InRleHQv aHRtbDsgY2hhcnNldD13aW5kb3dzLTEyNTIiPjxNRVRBIGNvbnRlbnQ9ImFp bSIgbmFtZT13b3JyeWFib3V0IHNwaXJpdD48TUVUQSBjb250ZW50PSJzcG9u c29yZWQiIG5hbWU9RGVzY3JpcHRpb24+DQo8U1RZTEUgdHlwZT10ZXh0L2Nz cz5URCB7Rk9OVC1TSVpFOiAxMnB4OyBDT0xPUjogYmxhY2s7IEZPTlQtRkFN SUxZOiBhcmlhbCx2ZXJkYW5hfUEge0NPTE9SOiAjMDAwMGZmOyBURVhULURF Q09SQVRJT046IHVuZGVybGluZX1BOmhvdmVyIHtDT0xPUjogI2ZmMDAwMDsg VEVYVC1ERUNPUkFUSU9OOiB1bmRlcmxpbmV9UCB7TElORS1IRUlHSFQ6IDEy MCV9TEkge0xJTkUtSEVJR0hUOiAxMjAlfURJViB7TElORS1IRUlHSFQ6IDEy MCV9PC9TVFlMRT48L0hFQUQ+DQo8Qk9EWSBiZ0NvbG9yPSNmZmZmZmYgbGVm dE1hcmdpbj0wIHRvcE1hcmdpbj0wIE1BUkdJTldJRFRIPSIwIiBNQVJHSU5I RUlHSFQ9IjAiPg0KDQo8YSBocmVmPSJodHRwOi8vc21iaG4ubGliaWRvLWhl YWx0aC5uZXQvYWZmaWwvbm0vP2lkPTIwJmxkc25icWxoaW9vaXlwYXBubW13 dHV0a21oa3RzZW54ZiI+PGltZyBzcmM9Imh0dHA6Ly9jYXJkLmVzaG9wLmNv bS5oay9pbWFnZXMvdXBsb2FkZWQvMjAwMy0wNS0zMC0wNDQyMjYuanBnP3Ni YWd4IiBib3JkZXI9IjAiPjwvYT48YnI+PGJyPg0KPHRhYmxlPjx0cj48dGQg aGVpZ2h0PSc3NTAnIHdpZHRoPSc1Jz4mbmJzcDs8L3RkPjwvdHI+PC90YWJs ZT48L2ZvbnQ+PGZvbnQgc2l6ZT0iMSI+a3EgeHVkbmY8YnI+cmdtZyBieWZq d3EgdWIuPC9mb250PjxwPjxoMz5XZWF0aGVyPC9oMz48cD5OQSwgTkEgLQ0K U3VubnkgPGJyPjxicj5IaWdoOiAxICwgTG93OiA2IGRlZ3JlZXM8L3A+PGgz PkZhdm9yaXRlcw0KPC9hPjwvaDM+PGgzPkNvbW11bml0aWVzICYgRm9ydW1z PC9oMz48aW1nIGJvcmRlcj0iMCIgc3JjPSJpbWFnZXMvbW91bnQuZ2lmIiBh bGlnbj0ibGVmdCIgd2lkdGg9IjcwIiBoZWlnaHQ9IjEwNCI+YyB5bnN3YnRk IGNrbGNiIHMgeXUNCiBkZ29tdHRmbSBlZWN1dWlzeCBleCBpeCBheXMgY3Nh cXRpZSBrDQp5cWtua2hwY2YsIGNzaXR4IHNjLCBncGlvYyBhdnRkIHBnLjx1 bD48bGk+TW9yZSBTdHVmZiA1PC9hPjwvbGk+PC91bD48cGFsaWduPSJjZW50 ZXIiPjxzbWFsbD48L3NtYWxsPjwvcD48cD48aT48c21hbGw+aGZ4IGhtY29q Z3MgbyBrcGRqYiBybHJvazwvcD4NCjwvYm9keT48L2h0bWw+ ------=_NextPart_60A_DD79_324F6A77.AF682ADC-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 17 07:11:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 06:47:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: aol.com!GlassLites From: GlassLites@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: foil problem Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:46:45 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com> Precedence: bulk Call me frugal, but I have used foil that is 5 years old. Venture foil doesn't stick well even new. Edco foil seems to last forever. I keep my foil in my garage studio. I've tried sealable plastic bags, but found no advantage. (Probably the extreme temperatures in my garage) I'm not too concerned with how well the foil sticks. After it is soldered, the glue is superfulous (sp?) anyway. Yes. Sometimes the foil pulls away from the glass when I am soldering. But not often and I have had little problem fixing it. OK. So I'm cheap. Cheryl Lowe Glass Lites Studio New Jersey ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 17 11:12:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:43:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: cox.net!mathusnagano From: To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Re: foil problem Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:35:45 -0400 Message-ID: <20031017173540.KALU8740.fed1mtao08.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Precedence: bulk Does anyone else find a difference in foil quality? I always wonder which brand to look for. Any tips would be very much appreciated. Thanks, Diane Mathus-Nagano > > From: GlassLites@aol.com > Date: 2003/10/17 Fri AM 08:46:45 EDT > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: foil problem > > Call me frugal, but I have used foil that is 5 years old. Venture foil doesn't stick well even new. Edco foil seems to last forever. I keep my foil in my garage studio. I've tried sealable plastic bags, but found no advantage. (Probably the extreme temperatures in my garage) > > I'm not too concerned with how well the foil sticks. After it is soldered, the glue is superfulous (sp?) anyway. Yes. Sometimes the foil pulls away from the glass when I am soldering. But not often and I have had little problem fixing it. > > OK. So I'm cheap. > > Cheryl Lowe > Glass Lites Studio > New Jersey > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 17 12:11:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:59:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: stratus.com!Charlie.Spitzer From: "Spitzer, Charlie" To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: Re: foil problem Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:34:24 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@stratus.com> Precedence: bulk when first invented, it came in sheets that were cut by hand, and beeswax was applied to the back for adhesive. what quality is looked for? as long as it's copper, it doesn't matter how good or long the adhesive lasts. the adhesive isn't used after you solder it anyway, as cheryl has already pointed out. heck, if it's too old and not sticky, heat it a bit with a hair dryer or foil in the sun and the adhesive will melt a little and be really sticky. me, i just foil in my garage, and since it's still over 100F, it's plenty warm. regards, charlie cave creek, az > -----Original Message----- > From: mathusnagano@cox.net [mailto:mathusnagano@cox.net] > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 10:36 AM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: Re: foil problem > > > Does anyone else find a difference in foil quality? I always > wonder which brand to look for. Any tips would be very much > appreciated. > Thanks, > Diane Mathus-Nagano > > > > From: GlassLites@aol.com > > Date: 2003/10/17 Fri AM 08:46:45 EDT > > To: glass@bungi.com > > Subject: Re: foil problem > > > > Call me frugal, but I have used foil that is 5 years old. > Venture foil doesn't stick well even new. Edco foil seems to > last forever. I keep my foil in my garage studio. I've tried > sealable plastic bags, but found no advantage. (Probably the > extreme temperatures in my garage) > > > > I'm not too concerned with how well the foil sticks. After > it is soldered, the glue is superfulous (sp?) anyway. Yes. > Sometimes the foil pulls away from the glass when I am > soldering. But not often and I have had little problem fixing it. > > > > OK. So I'm cheap. > > > > Cheryl Lowe > > Glass Lites Studio > > New Jersey ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 17 13:13:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 12:52:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: verizon.net!moya.oneal From: "Moya O'Neal" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0022_01C394C5.E92A0860" Subject: foil types Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 15:47:03 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@verizon.net> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C394C5.E92A0860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My personal experience is that EDCO cannot be beaten for quality and = price. Moya ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C394C5.E92A0860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My personal experience is that EDCO = cannot be=20 beaten for quality and price.
Moya
------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C394C5.E92A0860-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 18 02:15:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 01:17:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: foil types Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 09:11:29 +0100 Message-ID: <20031018081129.OONQ6394.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@sn010947420129> Precedence: bulk We find most of our customers go for price so buy the Venture Masterfoil. However some of my customers have used Edco from the start as whoever taught them used it so we stock that too and sell it to committed Edco users although the price of Edco foil is between 30-50 percent more expensive in UK. Another difference from the USA/Canada is that we can only get the purple-core Masterfoil over here so cant offer different thicknesses of foil, only different widths. As to how long it lasts, we often discover old half-used packets and have found no particular difficulty with it not sticking. Also I have one part-used roll of 3/8" foil that must be over 10 years old but is still useable the very few times I want to use it in a project. Regards Elizabeth in Bournemouth http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 18 09:14:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 08:22:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: aol.com!GlassLites From: GlassLites@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: foil problem - Favorite Foil? Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 11:19:19 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com> Precedence: bulk Now here is a subject the has strong opinions on both sides.... I was first taught with Edco foil. Then when my supplier went out of business I was left with Venture. So I have used both. Happy to say I now have found suppliers of Edco and am back to my preferred foil. I've found that Venture tape is stiff, does not bend around curves well, does not stick well and is prone to cutting my fingers. Edco foil is much softer, handles curves well because it does stretch a bit, glue seems to last forever and I have never cut my fingers on Edco foil! So what are some other opinions? Cheryl Lowe in NJ In a message dated 10/17/03 2:13:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mathusnagano@cox.net writes: > Does anyone else find a difference in foil quality? I always wonder which > brand to look for. Any tips would be very much appreciated. > Thanks, > Diane Mathus-Nagano ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 20 07:13:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 06:43:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: cox.net!brendalantz From: Brenda Lantz To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Favorite Foil Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 08:35:11 -0500 Message-ID: <3ACFADD0-0302-11D8-8F97-00306570408C@cox.net> Precedence: bulk I agree with Cheryl entirely, but wonder if there ARE other brands available? Begin forwarded message: > From: GlassLites@aol.com > Date: Sat Oct 18, 2003 10:19:19 AM US/Central > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: foil problem - Favorite Foil? > > Now here is a subject the has strong opinions on both sides.... > > I was first taught with Edco foil. Then when my supplier went out of > business > I was left with Venture. So I have used both. Happy to say I now have > found > suppliers of Edco and am back to my preferred foil. > > I've found that Venture tape is stiff, does not bend around curves > well, does > not stick well and is prone to cutting my fingers. Edco foil is much > softer, > handles curves well because it does stretch a bit, glue seems to last > forever > and I have never cut my fingers on Edco foil! > > So what are some other opinions? > > Cheryl Lowe in NJ > > > > In a message dated 10/17/03 2:13:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > mathusnagano@cox.net writes: > >> Does anyone else find a difference in foil quality? I always wonder >> which >> brand to look for. Any tips would be very much appreciated. >> Thanks, >> Diane Mathus-Nagano > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 21 10:09:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:38:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: aol.com!DebiH44 From: DebiH44@aol.com To: GlassLites@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_e4.3fa67304.2cc6b9ab_boundary" Subject: Re: foil problem - Favorite Foil? Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:32:43 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com> Precedence: bulk --part1_e4.3fa67304.2cc6b9ab_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would have to agree that Edco is easier on my fingers, especially on the curves. As to the stickability, I havent noticed since I put my foil in sealed plastic bags and in the freezer prior to using it, about an hour. It keeps my foil ready, willing and sticky. Works for me. Debi --part1_e4.3fa67304.2cc6b9ab_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would have to agree that Edco is easier on my finger= s, especially on  the curves.  As to the stickability, I havent no= ticed since I put my foil in sealed plastic bags and in the freezer prior to= using it, about an hour. It keeps my foil ready, willing and sticky. &= nbsp; Works for me.  Debi --part1_e4.3fa67304.2cc6b9ab_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 22 21:18:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 20:58:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: ori.nic.in!631erx From: "Addie Perkins" <631erx@ori.nic.in> To: dave@davepowell.freeserve.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="D_EDC8F.0ACB42A_1C" Subject: this will help! Date: Thu, 23 Oct 03 14:28:01 GMT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@ori.nic.in> Precedence: bulk --D_EDC8F.0ACB42A_1C Content-Type: text/plain; Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable this will help!, You're paying too much at the pump! look.. http://www.wnnd.org acclamation --D_EDC8F.0ACB42A_1C-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 23 13:13:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:29:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: baylor.edu!robertochavezzl From: "Roberto M. Chavez" To: glass@daver.bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: hi Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:52:15 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@baylor.edu> Precedence: bulk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 23 13:14:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:38:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: ksu.edu!lorrainekrhodeswb From: "Lorraine K. Rhodes" To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: hi Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:51:41 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@ksu.edu> Precedence: bulk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 23 13:18:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:43:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: cableol.co.uk!maribelp.brennanoi From: "Maribel P. Brennan" To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: hi Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:49:29 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@cableol.co.uk> Precedence: bulk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 23 14:17:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:54:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: aol.com!DoDWright From: DoDWright@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_34.40df5874.2cc997cf_boundary" Subject: HI Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:45:03 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com> Precedence: bulk --part1_34.40df5874.2cc997cf_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hope the 3 emails I received today were actually from people interested in the multiple facets of stained glass. I signed up for what appeared to be the best yahoo stained glass interest groups. Look forward to hearing from everyone. Elena --part1_34.40df5874.2cc997cf_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hope the 3 emails I received today were actually from=20= people interested in the multiple facets of stained glass.  I signed up= for what appeared to be the best yahoo stained glass interest groups. = Look forward to hearing from everyone.      Elena<= /FONT> --part1_34.40df5874.2cc997cf_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 23 15:20:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:54:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: aol.com!DoDWright From: DoDWright@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_34.40df5874.2cc997cf_boundary" Subject: HI Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:45:03 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com> Precedence: bulk --part1_34.40df5874.2cc997cf_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hope the 3 emails I received today were actually from people interested in the multiple facets of stained glass. I signed up for what appeared to be the best yahoo stained glass interest groups. Look forward to hearing from everyone. Elena --part1_34.40df5874.2cc997cf_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hope the 3 emails I received today were actually from=20= people interested in the multiple facets of stained glass.  I signed up= for what appeared to be the best yahoo stained glass interest groups. = Look forward to hearing from everyone.      Elena<= /FONT> --part1_34.40df5874.2cc997cf_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 23 17:11:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:11:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: ipcc.ch!tami_e.connolly_xg From: "Tami E. Connolly" To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: pgrpowdjqwgf Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:11:13 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@ipcc.ch> Precedence: bulk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 23 17:12:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:16:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: tekes.fi!denamerrillyn From: "Dena Merrill" To: glass@daver.bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: uegdaw Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:14:51 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@tekes.fi> Precedence: bulk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 23 17:13:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:19:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: new.billboard.cz!o_avery_bd From: "Ophelia Avery" To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: vmktyyctgg Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:11:07 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@new.billboard.cz> Precedence: bulk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 23 18:13:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:29:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: teleauskunft.de!gallagherxp From: "Arturo Gallagher" To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: pyrinrww Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:27:40 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@teleauskunft.de> Precedence: bulk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 23 18:14:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:28:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: telegraaf.nl!englandfr From: "Dionne T. England" To: glass@daver.bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: uxdevqc Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:28:40 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@telegraaf.nl> Precedence: bulk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 23 18:15:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:36:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: msn.com!paula_powers_lg From: "Paula Powers" To: glass@bungi.com, glass-request@bungi.com, glenda@bungi.com, montague@bungi.com, moneka@bungi.com, monte@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Subject: no more doctor to get your pharmys szzkv93 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:35:01 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@msn.com> Precedence: bulk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 23 18:53:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:05:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: glastar.com!lmitchell From: Lori J. Mitchell To: , , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: re[2]: foil problem - Favorite Foil? Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:01:42 -0700 Message-ID: Organization: Glastar Corporation Precedence: bulk Dear Debi,=20 Great tip, but don't you have corrosion problems from the moisture? Thank you,=20 Lori Mitchell Chief Executive Officer Glastar Corporation www.glastar.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 23 20:21:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 19:56:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: aol.com!Pastorpaulciucci From: Pastorpaulciucci@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Grinders Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:47:26 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com> Precedence: bulk Hi all pastor Paul here. I am new to the art and am purchasing my equipment and am pretty settled on everything except grinders. I want to buy the best grinder for the money with the comfort of knowing it will give me many years of service. I am thinking the all-star or the wizard but you all may have another suggestion or pros and cons on these that I have mentioned thanks for your help...... Paul ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 24 08:37:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 07:28:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: aol.com!DoDWright From: DoDWright@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_188.20ae4715.2cca9018_boundary" Subject: Grinders for Pastor Paul Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:24:24 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com> Precedence: bulk --part1_188.20ae4715.2cca9018_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi: It may sound excessive but I have used 4 different grinders, 2 varieties of Glastar, a Pro Max, and a Gryphon. The Pro Max and Gryphon have a lot of power; the Gryphon has the most. The Gryphon is unusual in that the water source is located in a tower above the grinding head. After it runs over the head, it flows to a reservoir below the grid and then out through a tube into a container on the floor (don't forget the container!). What's good about this grinder is the water is always clean. The water tower is very obvious and it only takes a glance to see when you need to refill. The motor is extremely strong. The Pro Max is designed to take two grinding bits at once so you can put a 1/4 inch bit for drilling holes above the 1 inch bit. That's kind of nice too. The Glastar grinders are decent machines. Don't know if this helps. Elena --part1_188.20ae4715.2cca9018_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi:  It may sound excessive but I have used 4 dif= ferent grinders, 2 varieties of Glastar, a Pro Max, and a Gryphon.  The= Pro Max and Gryphon have a lot of power; the Gryphon has the most.  Th= e Gryphon is unusual in that the water source is located in a tower above th= e grinding head.  After it runs over the head, it flows to a reservoir=20= below the grid and then out through a tube into a container on the floor (do= n't forget the container!).  What's good about this grinder is the wate= r is always clean.  The water tower is very obvious and it only takes a= glance to see when you need to refill.  The motor is extremely strong.=   The Pro Max is designed to take two grinding bits at once so you can=20= put a 1/4 inch bit for drilling holes above the 1 inch bit.  That's kin= d of nice too.  The Glastar grinders are decent machines.  Don't k= now if this helps.  Elena --part1_188.20ae4715.2cca9018_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 24 08:37:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 07:38:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: stratus.com!Charlie.Spitzer From: "Spitzer, Charlie" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: Grinders Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 07:20:01 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@stratus.com> Precedence: bulk my glastar lasted a lot longer then my wizard. i bought one of each 15 years ago, and my glastar is still going strong. they also have a great warrantee. regards, charlie cave creek, az > -----Original Message----- > From: Pastorpaulciucci@aol.com [mailto:Pastorpaulciucci@aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 7:47 PM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Grinders > > > Hi all pastor Paul here. I am new to the art and am > purchasing my > equipment and am pretty settled on everything except > grinders. I want to buy the > best grinder for the money with the comfort of knowing it > will give me many > years of service. I am thinking the all-star or the wizard > but you all may > have another suggestion or pros and cons on these that I have > mentioned thanks > for your help...... Paul > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 24 13:16:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:27:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: msn.com!ngarrett_ts From: "Marina N. Garrett" To: gjr@daver.bungi.com, glass@daver.bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Subject: New Patch Ads inches 80ud Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:27:06 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@msn.com> Precedence: bulk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 24 17:17:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:47:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: aol.com!GlassLites From: GlassLites@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: foil problem - Favorite Foil? Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:40:31 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com> Precedence: bulk Sorry, I've been on travel for a few days and only now catching up on email. I get my Edco foil from www.glasscrafters.com. I think my local supplier in New Jersey www.anythinginstainedglass.com may have Edco also - not sure. Cheryl Lowe Glass Lites Studio In a message dated 10/20/03 9:36:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, oakhillpottery@earthlink.net writes: > You've convinced me. I'd like to try Edco foil. Do you know a > mail-order supplier? My local shop only carries Venture and I've > checked the catalogs of Warner-Criv, Delphi, Stained Glass Warehouse > and Whittemore-Durgin and haven't found it. Thanks. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 24 18:17:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:22:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: glastar.com!lmitchell From: Lori J. Mitchell To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: re: Grinders Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:21:24 -0700 Message-ID: Organization: Glastar Corporation Precedence: bulk Dear Pastor Paul, Check for a UL approval on any grinder, there is only one that has it...guess = which one! Water and electricity can and do cause electric shock. =20 Thank you,=20 Lori Mitchell Chief Executive Officer Glastar Corporation www.glastar.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 24 18:20:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:27:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: glastar.com!lmitchell From: Lori J. Mitchell To: "Spitzer, Charlie" , 'glass@bungi.com' Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: re[2]: Grinders Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:22:55 -0700 Message-ID: Organization: Glastar Corporation Precedence: bulk Dear Charlie, Thanks for the kind words! Thank you, Lori Mitchell Chief Executive Officer Glastar Corporation www.glastar.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 24 18:26:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:08:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: sympatico.ca!tandg.higson From: Anthony Higson To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Grinders Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 21:02:04 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@sympatico.ca> Precedence: bulk Hi Paul, I have a Glastar and I love it . Its been going strong for 4 years so far . Regards Gillian ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 24 19:20:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:30:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: ptdprolog.net!suzi1025 From: suzanne albright To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Grinders Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 21:27:50 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@ptdprolog.net> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com>> Precedence: bulk Hi Pastor Paul, Welcome to the art. You may find yourself becoming addicted! My vote goes to the All-Star. Mine has lasted a good 14 years and isn't showing signs of giving up yet. Suzanne on 10/23/03 10:47 PM, Pastorpaulciucci@aol.com at Pastorpaulciucci@aol.com wrote: > Hi all pastor Paul here. I am new to the art and am purchasing my > equipment and am pretty settled on everything except grinders. I want to buy > the > best grinder for the money with the comfort of knowing it will give me many > years of service. I am thinking the all-star or the wizard but you all may > have another suggestion or pros and cons on these that I have mentioned thanks > for your help...... Paul > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 24 21:15:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 20:46:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: ispwest.com!giapet From: "Karen K." To: Subject: Re: Grinders Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 23:41:09 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@ispwest.com> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@ptdprolog.net>> Precedence: bulk I have to agree, love my All-Star. I have 2 other small grinders, the Inland Twin Spin disc & the Wiz. I only use these with specialty bits & have felt electrical voltage coming from the switches on both the Inland grinders. Should add this only happens when I pour too much water in them (they don't hold as much as the All-Star. Have to turn them on with a wooden dowel when it happens. Karen My vote goes to the All-Star. Mine has lasted a good 14 years and isn't showing signs of giving up yet. Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 25 07:17:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 06:09:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: rraz.net!bajababa From: "BAJABABA" To: "Brenda Lantz" , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Favorite Foil Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 08:39:43 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@rraz.net> References: <<3ACFADD0-0302-11D8-8F97-00306570408C@cox.net>> Precedence: bulk Cheryl, would you mind sharing your supplier of the Edco Foil? Does anyone have any hints as to getting the foil to stick to the glass when it is humid weather? I am working on my latest window in sunny, hot, humid Mexico. No matter what I do the foil isn't sticking....and it's new! Thanks, Barb..... of AZ. and vacationing in Mexico! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brenda Lantz" To: Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 6:35 AM Subject: Favorite Foil > I agree with Cheryl entirely, but wonder if there ARE other brands > available? > > Begin forwarded message: > > > From: GlassLites@aol.com > > Date: Sat Oct 18, 2003 10:19:19 AM US/Central > > To: glass@bungi.com > > Subject: Re: foil problem - Favorite Foil? > > > > Now here is a subject the has strong opinions on both sides.... > > > > I was first taught with Edco foil. Then when my supplier went out of > > business > > I was left with Venture. So I have used both. Happy to say I now have > > found > > suppliers of Edco and am back to my preferred foil. > > > > I've found that Venture tape is stiff, does not bend around curves > > well, does > > not stick well and is prone to cutting my fingers. Edco foil is much > > softer, > > handles curves well because it does stretch a bit, glue seems to last > > forever > > and I have never cut my fingers on Edco foil! > > > > So what are some other opinions? > > > > Cheryl Lowe in NJ > > > > > > > > In a message dated 10/17/03 2:13:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > mathusnagano@cox.net writes: > > > >> Does anyone else find a difference in foil quality? I always wonder > >> which > >> brand to look for. Any tips would be very much appreciated. > >> Thanks, > >> Diane Mathus-Nagano > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 26 10:25:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 09:19:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: yahoo.com!upquiv From: yahoo.com!upquiv To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 09:09:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Precedence: bulk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 28 16:15:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:12:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: mail.finestdancers.com!anonymous From: info@finestdancers.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: FinestDancers.com Grand Opening Date: 28 Oct 2003 10:42:46 -0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@finestdancers.com> Precedence: bulk We are officially announcing FinestDancers.com. 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