From owner-glass Sat Feb 1 07:36:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 07:11:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Subject: bungi: small window using foil Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 10:07:55 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@compuserve.com> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "strainsa" >I have primarily been making lamps and small suncatchers. I was thinkin= g about making a 2 foot circular window for my daughter and was wondering i= f anyone has ever done something of this size using copper foil. What widt= h foil would be the best? Would I still have to use cement/grout? Would t= he window be strong enough using the foil instead of lead came? Any ideas o= r hints would be appreciated. My daughter is a horse lover so I am considering a nice horse head picture.< Sure, I've done lots of panels that size or larger using copper foil. Us= e the width of foil appropriate to the glass width. For thin glass such as= glue chip or smooth, use 3/16" wide. For "normal" stained glass width su= ch as waterglass, hammered, seedy, etc. use 7/32". For highly textured and/= or thicker glass such as Baroque, ripple, ice, granite, etc. use 1/4". You don't use cement or grout with copper foil unless you are putting the= copper foiled panel inside a lead outter frame, and then using that windo= w as an exterior window (i.e. it is the only glass between the inside of th= e house and the outside - there is no plate glass already there). In that= instance, your panel would be an exterior window, and you would need to weatherseal it by puttying the copper foil panel into the lead frame. Bu= t I've never done a window in this manner. I've always had either an insulated double pane window or at least a piece of clear float glass in place for the exterior, and then placed the stained glass panel up agains= t it. The copper foil panel will actually be stronger than a lead window, since= solder is a combination of tin and lead, and is stronger/stiffer than 100= % lead. Hint: Plan out HOW you are going to install the panel WAY before you deci= de anything else. What type of frame will you use? How will it fit into th= e opening? Using thin, flexible wood molding? Using lead? Is it to be placed up against an existing exterior window? Are their mullions (wooden/plastic cross pieces) already there which you have to take into account? If there are mullions, can they be removed so you can design th= e window any way you want, or...if they cannot be removed...does that limit= your choice of glass to only opaque glass in order to minimize the mullions? What material will you use to install the panel? Screws? = Nails? Silicone? Wood moldings? Combinations of the above? Hanging fro= m eye hooks? One of the biggest mistakes a person can make in doing stained glass is t= o only think about the "fun" parts of the project, and not consider the "mechanical" parts until far too late. Take care of these details first,= and the rest of the project will go much smoother, since you already have= a plan for the most difficult parts. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles Denton, TX ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 2 16:33:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 16:18:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: netzero.net!strainsa From: "strainsa" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001F_01C2C952.ED04A100" Subject: small window using foil Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 18:02:32 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@netzero.net> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C2C952.ED04A100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have primarily been making lamps and small suncatchers. I was = thinking about making a 2 foot circular window for my daughter and was = wondering if anyone has ever done something of this size using copper = foil. What width foil would be the best? Would I still have to use = cement/grout? Would the window be strong enough using the foil instead = of lead came? Any ideas or hints would be appreciated. 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I have primarily been making lamps and = small=20 suncatchers.  I was thinking about making a 2 foot circular window = for my=20 daughter and was wondering if anyone has ever done something of this = size using=20 copper foil.  What width foil would be the best?  Would I = still have=20 to use cement/grout?  Would the window be strong enough using the = foil=20 instead of lead came?  Any ideas or hints would be = appreciated.  My=20 daughter is a horse lover so I am considering a nice horse head=20 picture.

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________________________________________________________________________ ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C2C952.ED04A100-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 2 16:44:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 16:20:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: ptdprolog.net!suzi1025 From: suzanne albright To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Re: small window using foil Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 00:56:15 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@ptdprolog.net> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@netzero.net>>> Precedence: bulk > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3126905776_973388_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Yes, I have done this. Use whatever width of foil works for the thickness of the glass you are using. No grout or cement with copper foil. Yes, the window will be strong enough if you have enough solder lines crossing each other (a horse certainly would) and if you edge it all the way around in either zinc, copper or lead. (1/8" is bendable). Good luck, have fun. Suzanne on 1/31/03 7:02 PM, strainsa at strainsa@netzero.net wrote: I have primarily been making lamps and small suncatchers. I was thinking about making a 2 foot circular window for my daughter and was wondering if anyone has ever done something of this size using copper foil. What width foil would be the best? Would I still have to use cement/grout? Would the window be strong enough using the foil instead of lead came? Any ideas or hints would be appreciated. My daughter is a horse lover so I am considering a nice horse head picture. --MS_Mac_OE_3126905776_973388_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: small window using foil Yes, I have done this.

Use whatever width of foil works for the thickness of the glass you are usi= ng. No grout or cement with copper foil. Yes, the window will be strong enou= gh if you have enough solder lines crossing each other (a horse certainly wo= uld) and if you edge it all the way around in either zinc, copper or lead. (= 1/8" is bendable). Good luck, have fun.

Suzanne

on 1/31/03 7:02 PM, strainsa at strainsa@netzero.net wrote:

I have primarily been making = lamps and small suncatchers.  I was thinking about making a 2 foot circ= ular window for my daughter and was wondering if anyone has ever done someth= ing of this size using copper foil.  What width foil would be the best?=  Would I still have to use cement/grout?  Would the window be str= ong enough using the foil instead of lead came?  Any ideas or hints wou= ld be appreciated.  My daughter is a horse lover so I am considering a = nice horse head picture.


--MS_Mac_OE_3126905776_973388_MIME_Part-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 2 16:55:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 16:21:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Subject: bungi: small window using foil Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 10:07:55 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@compuserve.com> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "strainsa" >I have primarily been making lamps and small suncatchers. I was thinkin= g about making a 2 foot circular window for my daughter and was wondering i= f anyone has ever done something of this size using copper foil. What widt= h foil would be the best? Would I still have to use cement/grout? Would t= he window be strong enough using the foil instead of lead came? Any ideas o= r hints would be appreciated. My daughter is a horse lover so I am considering a nice horse head picture.< Sure, I've done lots of panels that size or larger using copper foil. Us= e the width of foil appropriate to the glass width. For thin glass such as= glue chip or smooth, use 3/16" wide. For "normal" stained glass width su= ch as waterglass, hammered, seedy, etc. use 7/32". For highly textured and/= or thicker glass such as Baroque, ripple, ice, granite, etc. use 1/4". You don't use cement or grout with copper foil unless you are putting the= copper foiled panel inside a lead outter frame, and then using that windo= w as an exterior window (i.e. it is the only glass between the inside of th= e house and the outside - there is no plate glass already there). In that= instance, your panel would be an exterior window, and you would need to weatherseal it by puttying the copper foil panel into the lead frame. Bu= t I've never done a window in this manner. I've always had either an insulated double pane window or at least a piece of clear float glass in place for the exterior, and then placed the stained glass panel up agains= t it. The copper foil panel will actually be stronger than a lead window, since= solder is a combination of tin and lead, and is stronger/stiffer than 100= % lead. Hint: Plan out HOW you are going to install the panel WAY before you deci= de anything else. What type of frame will you use? How will it fit into th= e opening? Using thin, flexible wood molding? Using lead? Is it to be placed up against an existing exterior window? Are their mullions (wooden/plastic cross pieces) already there which you have to take into account? If there are mullions, can they be removed so you can design th= e window any way you want, or...if they cannot be removed...does that limit= your choice of glass to only opaque glass in order to minimize the mullions? What material will you use to install the panel? Screws? = Nails? Silicone? Wood moldings? Combinations of the above? Hanging fro= m eye hooks? One of the biggest mistakes a person can make in doing stained glass is t= o only think about the "fun" parts of the project, and not consider the "mechanical" parts until far too late. Take care of these details first,= and the rest of the project will go much smoother, since you already have= a plan for the most difficult parts. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles Denton, TX ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ________________________________________________________________________ This=20e-mail=20has=20been=20scanned=20for=20all=20viruses=20by=20Star=20I= nternet.=20The service=20is=20powered=20by=20MessageLabs.=20For=20more=20information=20on= =20a=20proactive anti-virus=20service=20working=20around=20the=20clock,=20around=20the=20gl= obe,=20visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 2 17:13:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 16:59:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: netzero.net!strainsa From: "strainsa" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001F_01C2C952.ED04A100" Subject: small window using foil Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 18:02:32 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@netzero.net> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C2C952.ED04A100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have primarily been making lamps and small suncatchers. I was = thinking about making a 2 foot circular window for my daughter and was = wondering if anyone has ever done something of this size using copper = foil. What width foil would be the best? Would I still have to use = cement/grout? Would the window be strong enough using the foil instead = of lead came? Any ideas or hints would be appreciated. My daughter is = a horse lover so I am considering a nice horse head picture. ________________________________________________________________________ This=20e-mail=20has=20been=20scanned=20for=20all=20viruses=20by=20Star=20I= nternet.=20The service=20is=20powered=20by=20MessageLabs.=20For=20more=20information=20on= =20a=20proactive anti-virus=20service=20working=20around=20the=20clock,=20around=20the=20gl= obe,=20visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ This=20e-mail=20has=20been=20scanned=20for=20all=20viruses=20by=20Star=20I= nternet.=20The service=20is=20powered=20by=20MessageLabs.=20For=20more=20information=20on= =20a=20proactive anti-virus=20service=20working=20around=20the=20clock,=20around=20the=20gl= obe,=20visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________ ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C2C952.ED04A100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have primarily been making lamps and = small=20 suncatchers.  I was thinking about making a 2 foot circular window = for my=20 daughter and was wondering if anyone has ever done something of this = size using=20 copper foil.  What width foil would be the best?  Would I = still have=20 to use cement/grout?  Would the window be strong enough using the = foil=20 instead of lead came?  Any ideas or hints would be = appreciated.  My=20 daughter is a horse lover so I am considering a nice horse head=20 picture.

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________________________________________________________________________ ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C2C952.ED04A100-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 2 17:41:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 17:22:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: ptdprolog.net!suzi1025 From: suzanne albright To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Re: small window using foil Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 00:56:15 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@ptdprolog.net> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@netzero.net>>>> Precedence: bulk > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3126905776_973388_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Yes, I have done this. Use whatever width of foil works for the thickness of the glass you are using. No grout or cement with copper foil. Yes, the window will be strong enough if you have enough solder lines crossing each other (a horse certainly would) and if you edge it all the way around in either zinc, copper or lead. (1/8" is bendable). Good luck, have fun. Suzanne on 1/31/03 7:02 PM, strainsa at strainsa@netzero.net wrote: I have primarily been making lamps and small suncatchers. I was thinking about making a 2 foot circular window for my daughter and was wondering if anyone has ever done something of this size using copper foil. What width foil would be the best? Would I still have to use cement/grout? Would the window be strong enough using the foil instead of lead came? Any ideas or hints would be appreciated. My daughter is a horse lover so I am considering a nice horse head picture. --MS_Mac_OE_3126905776_973388_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: small window using foil Yes, I have done this.

Use whatever width of foil works for the thickness of the glass you are usi= ng. No grout or cement with copper foil. Yes, the window will be strong enou= gh if you have enough solder lines crossing each other (a horse certainly wo= uld) and if you edge it all the way around in either zinc, copper or lead. (= 1/8" is bendable). Good luck, have fun.

Suzanne

on 1/31/03 7:02 PM, strainsa at strainsa@netzero.net wrote:

I have primarily been making = lamps and small suncatchers.  I was thinking about making a 2 foot circ= ular window for my daughter and was wondering if anyone has ever done someth= ing of this size using copper foil.  What width foil would be the best?=  Would I still have to use cement/grout?  Would the window be str= ong enough using the foil instead of lead came?  Any ideas or hints wou= ld be appreciated.  My daughter is a horse lover so I am considering a = nice horse head picture.


--MS_Mac_OE_3126905776_973388_MIME_Part-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 2 17:52:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 17:25:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Subject: bungi: small window using foil Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 10:07:55 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@compuserve.com> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "strainsa" >I have primarily been making lamps and small suncatchers. I was thinkin= g about making a 2 foot circular window for my daughter and was wondering i= f anyone has ever done something of this size using copper foil. What widt= h foil would be the best? Would I still have to use cement/grout? Would t= he window be strong enough using the foil instead of lead came? Any ideas o= r hints would be appreciated. My daughter is a horse lover so I am considering a nice horse head picture.< Sure, I've done lots of panels that size or larger using copper foil. Us= e the width of foil appropriate to the glass width. For thin glass such as= glue chip or smooth, use 3/16" wide. For "normal" stained glass width su= ch as waterglass, hammered, seedy, etc. use 7/32". For highly textured and/= or thicker glass such as Baroque, ripple, ice, granite, etc. use 1/4". You don't use cement or grout with copper foil unless you are putting the= copper foiled panel inside a lead outter frame, and then using that windo= w as an exterior window (i.e. it is the only glass between the inside of th= e house and the outside - there is no plate glass already there). In that= instance, your panel would be an exterior window, and you would need to weatherseal it by puttying the copper foil panel into the lead frame. Bu= t I've never done a window in this manner. I've always had either an insulated double pane window or at least a piece of clear float glass in place for the exterior, and then placed the stained glass panel up agains= t it. The copper foil panel will actually be stronger than a lead window, since= solder is a combination of tin and lead, and is stronger/stiffer than 100= % lead. Hint: Plan out HOW you are going to install the panel WAY before you deci= de anything else. What type of frame will you use? How will it fit into th= e opening? Using thin, flexible wood molding? Using lead? Is it to be placed up against an existing exterior window? Are their mullions (wooden/plastic cross pieces) already there which you have to take into account? If there are mullions, can they be removed so you can design th= e window any way you want, or...if they cannot be removed...does that limit= your choice of glass to only opaque glass in order to minimize the mullions? What material will you use to install the panel? Screws? = Nails? Silicone? Wood moldings? Combinations of the above? Hanging fro= m eye hooks? One of the biggest mistakes a person can make in doing stained glass is t= o only think about the "fun" parts of the project, and not consider the "mechanical" parts until far too late. Take care of these details first,= and the rest of the project will go much smoother, since you already have= a plan for the most difficult parts. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles Denton, TX ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ________________________________________________________________________ This=20e-mail=20has=20been=20scanned=20for=20all=20viruses=20by=20Star=20I= nternet.=20The service=20is=20powered=20by=20MessageLabs.=20For=20more=20information=20on= =20a=20proactive anti-virus=20service=20working=20around=20the=20clock,=20around=20the=20gl= obe,=20visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ________________________________________________________________________ This=20e-mail=20has=20been=20scanned=20for=20all=20viruses=20by=20Star=20I= nternet.=20The service=20is=20powered=20by=20MessageLabs.=20For=20more=20information=20on= =20a=20proactive anti-virus=20service=20working=20around=20the=20clock,=20around=20the=20gl= obe,=20visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 2 18:08:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 17:44:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: netzero.net!strainsa From: "strainsa" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001F_01C2C952.ED04A100" Subject: small window using foil Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 18:02:32 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@netzero.net> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C2C952.ED04A100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have primarily been making lamps and small suncatchers. I was = thinking about making a 2 foot circular window for my daughter and was = wondering if anyone has ever done something of this size using copper = foil. What width foil would be the best? Would I still have to use = cement/grout? Would the window be strong enough using the foil instead = of lead came? Any ideas or hints would be appreciated. My daughter is = a horse lover so I am considering a nice horse head picture. ________________________________________________________________________ This=20e-mail=20has=20been=20scanned=20for=20all=20viruses=20by=20Star=20I= nternet.=20The service=20is=20powered=20by=20MessageLabs.=20For=20more=20information=20on= =20a=20proactive anti-virus=20service=20working=20around=20the=20clock,=20around=20the=20gl= obe,=20visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ This=20e-mail=20has=20been=20scanned=20for=20all=20viruses=20by=20Star=20I= nternet.=20The service=20is=20powered=20by=20MessageLabs.=20For=20more=20information=20on= =20a=20proactive anti-virus=20service=20working=20around=20the=20clock,=20around=20the=20gl= obe,=20visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ This=20e-mail=20has=20been=20scanned=20for=20all=20viruses=20by=20Star=20I= nternet.=20The service=20is=20powered=20by=20MessageLabs.=20For=20more=20information=20on= =20a=20proactive anti-virus=20service=20working=20around=20the=20clock,=20around=20the=20gl= obe,=20visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________ ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C2C952.ED04A100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Use whatever width of foil works for the thickness of the glass you are usi= ng. No grout or cement with copper foil. Yes, the window will be strong enou= gh if you have enough solder lines crossing each other (a horse certainly wo= uld) and if you edge it all the way around in either zinc, copper or lead. (= 1/8" is bendable). Good luck, have fun.

Suzanne

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I have primarily been making = lamps and small suncatchers.  I was thinking about making a 2 foot circ= ular window for my daughter and was wondering if anyone has ever done someth= ing of this size using copper foil.  What width foil would be the best?=  Would I still have to use cement/grout?  Would the window be str= ong enough using the foil instead of lead came?  Any ideas or hints wou= ld be appreciated.  My daughter is a horse lover so I am considering a = nice horse head picture.


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Wood" To: Bungi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Subject: bungi: small window using foil Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 10:07:55 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@compuserve.com> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "strainsa" >I have primarily been making lamps and small suncatchers. I was thinkin= g about making a 2 foot circular window for my daughter and was wondering i= f anyone has ever done something of this size using copper foil. What widt= h foil would be the best? Would I still have to use cement/grout? Would t= he window be strong enough using the foil instead of lead came? Any ideas o= r hints would be appreciated. My daughter is a horse lover so I am considering a nice horse head picture.< Sure, I've done lots of panels that size or larger using copper foil. Us= e the width of foil appropriate to the glass width. For thin glass such as= glue chip or smooth, use 3/16" wide. For "normal" stained glass width su= ch as waterglass, hammered, seedy, etc. use 7/32". For highly textured and/= or thicker glass such as Baroque, ripple, ice, granite, etc. use 1/4". You don't use cement or grout with copper foil unless you are putting the= copper foiled panel inside a lead outter frame, and then using that windo= w as an exterior window (i.e. it is the only glass between the inside of th= e house and the outside - there is no plate glass already there). In that= instance, your panel would be an exterior window, and you would need to weatherseal it by puttying the copper foil panel into the lead frame. Bu= t I've never done a window in this manner. I've always had either an insulated double pane window or at least a piece of clear float glass in place for the exterior, and then placed the stained glass panel up agains= t it. The copper foil panel will actually be stronger than a lead window, since= solder is a combination of tin and lead, and is stronger/stiffer than 100= % lead. Hint: Plan out HOW you are going to install the panel WAY before you deci= de anything else. What type of frame will you use? How will it fit into th= e opening? Using thin, flexible wood molding? Using lead? Is it to be placed up against an existing exterior window? Are their mullions (wooden/plastic cross pieces) already there which you have to take into account? If there are mullions, can they be removed so you can design th= e window any way you want, or...if they cannot be removed...does that limit= your choice of glass to only opaque glass in order to minimize the mullions? What material will you use to install the panel? Screws? = Nails? Silicone? Wood moldings? Combinations of the above? Hanging fro= m eye hooks? One of the biggest mistakes a person can make in doing stained glass is t= o only think about the "fun" parts of the project, and not consider the "mechanical" parts until far too late. Take care of these details first,= and the rest of the project will go much smoother, since you already have= a plan for the most difficult parts. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles Denton, TX ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ________________________________________________________________________ This=20e-mail=20has=20been=20scanned=20for=20all=20viruses=20by=20Star=20I= nternet.=20The service=20is=20powered=20by=20MessageLabs.=20For=20more=20information=20on= =20a=20proactive anti-virus=20service=20working=20around=20the=20clock,=20around=20the=20gl= obe,=20visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ________________________________________________________________________ This=20e-mail=20has=20been=20scanned=20for=20all=20viruses=20by=20Star=20I= nternet.=20The service=20is=20powered=20by=20MessageLabs.=20For=20more=20information=20on= =20a=20proactive anti-virus=20service=20working=20around=20the=20clock,=20around=20the=20gl= obe,=20visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ________________________________________________________________________ This=20e-mail=20has=20been=20scanned=20for=20all=20viruses=20by=20Star=20I= nternet.=20The service=20is=20powered=20by=20MessageLabs.=20For=20more=20information=20on= =20a=20proactive anti-virus=20service=20working=20around=20the=20clock,=20around=20the=20gl= obe,=20visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 2 19:11:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 18:44:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: ptdprolog.net!suzi1025 From: suzanne albright To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Re: small window using foil Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 00:56:15 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@ptdprolog.net> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@netzero.net>>>>>> Precedence: bulk > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3126905776_973388_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Yes, I have done this. Use whatever width of foil works for the thickness of the glass you are using. No grout or cement with copper foil. Yes, the window will be strong enough if you have enough solder lines crossing each other (a horse certainly would) and if you edge it all the way around in either zinc, copper or lead. (1/8" is bendable). Good luck, have fun. Suzanne on 1/31/03 7:02 PM, strainsa at strainsa@netzero.net wrote: I have primarily been making lamps and small suncatchers. I was thinking about making a 2 foot circular window for my daughter and was wondering if anyone has ever done something of this size using copper foil. What width foil would be the best? Would I still have to use cement/grout? Would the window be strong enough using the foil instead of lead came? Any ideas or hints would be appreciated. My daughter is a horse lover so I am considering a nice horse head picture. --MS_Mac_OE_3126905776_973388_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: small window using foil Yes, I have done this.

Use whatever width of foil works for the thickness of the glass you are usi= ng. No grout or cement with copper foil. Yes, the window will be strong enou= gh if you have enough solder lines crossing each other (a horse certainly wo= uld) and if you edge it all the way around in either zinc, copper or lead. (= 1/8" is bendable). Good luck, have fun.

Suzanne

on 1/31/03 7:02 PM, strainsa at strainsa@netzero.net wrote:

I have primarily been making = lamps and small suncatchers.  I was thinking about making a 2 foot circ= ular window for my daughter and was wondering if anyone has ever done someth= ing of this size using copper foil.  What width foil would be the best?=  Would I still have to use cement/grout?  Would the window be str= ong enough using the foil instead of lead came?  Any ideas or hints wou= ld be appreciated.  My daughter is a horse lover so I am considering a = nice horse head picture.


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Wood" To: Bungi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Subject: bungi: small window using foil Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 10:07:55 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@compuserve.com> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "strainsa" >I have primarily been making lamps and small suncatchers. I was thinkin= g about making a 2 foot circular window for my daughter and was wondering i= f anyone has ever done something of this size using copper foil. What widt= h foil would be the best? Would I still have to use cement/grout? Would t= he window be strong enough using the foil instead of lead came? Any ideas o= r hints would be appreciated. My daughter is a horse lover so I am considering a nice horse head picture.< Sure, I've done lots of panels that size or larger using copper foil. Us= e the width of foil appropriate to the glass width. For thin glass such as= glue chip or smooth, use 3/16" wide. For "normal" stained glass width su= ch as waterglass, hammered, seedy, etc. use 7/32". For highly textured and/= or thicker glass such as Baroque, ripple, ice, granite, etc. use 1/4". You don't use cement or grout with copper foil unless you are putting the= copper foiled panel inside a lead outter frame, and then using that windo= w as an exterior window (i.e. it is the only glass between the inside of th= e house and the outside - there is no plate glass already there). In that= instance, your panel would be an exterior window, and you would need to weatherseal it by puttying the copper foil panel into the lead frame. Bu= t I've never done a window in this manner. I've always had either an insulated double pane window or at least a piece of clear float glass in place for the exterior, and then placed the stained glass panel up agains= t it. The copper foil panel will actually be stronger than a lead window, since= solder is a combination of tin and lead, and is stronger/stiffer than 100= % lead. Hint: Plan out HOW you are going to install the panel WAY before you deci= de anything else. What type of frame will you use? How will it fit into th= e opening? Using thin, flexible wood molding? Using lead? Is it to be placed up against an existing exterior window? Are their mullions (wooden/plastic cross pieces) already there which you have to take into account? If there are mullions, can they be removed so you can design th= e window any way you want, or...if they cannot be removed...does that limit= your choice of glass to only opaque glass in order to minimize the mullions? What material will you use to install the panel? Screws? = Nails? Silicone? Wood moldings? Combinations of the above? Hanging fro= m eye hooks? One of the biggest mistakes a person can make in doing stained glass is t= o only think about the "fun" parts of the project, and not consider the "mechanical" parts until far too late. Take care of these details first,= and the rest of the project will go much smoother, since you already have= a plan for the most difficult parts. Christie A. 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Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3126905776_973388_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Yes, I have done this. Use whatever width of foil works for the thickness of the glass you are using. No grout or cement with copper foil. Yes, the window will be strong enough if you have enough solder lines crossing each other (a horse certainly would) and if you edge it all the way around in either zinc, copper or lead. (1/8" is bendable). Good luck, have fun. Suzanne on 1/31/03 7:02 PM, strainsa at strainsa@netzero.net wrote: I have primarily been making lamps and small suncatchers. I was thinking about making a 2 foot circular window for my daughter and was wondering if anyone has ever done something of this size using copper foil. What width foil would be the best? Would I still have to use cement/grout? Would the window be strong enough using the foil instead of lead came? Any ideas or hints would be appreciated. My daughter is a horse lover so I am considering a nice horse head picture. --MS_Mac_OE_3126905776_973388_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: small window using foil Yes, I have done this.

Use whatever width of foil works for the thickness of the glass you are usi= ng. No grout or cement with copper foil. Yes, the window will be strong enou= gh if you have enough solder lines crossing each other (a horse certainly wo= uld) and if you edge it all the way around in either zinc, copper or lead. (= 1/8" is bendable). Good luck, have fun.

Suzanne

on 1/31/03 7:02 PM, strainsa at strainsa@netzero.net wrote:

I have primarily been making = lamps and small suncatchers.  I was thinking about making a 2 foot circ= ular window for my daughter and was wondering if anyone has ever done someth= ing of this size using copper foil.  What width foil would be the best?=  Would I still have to use cement/grout?  Would the window be str= ong enough using the foil instead of lead came?  Any ideas or hints wou= ld be appreciated.  My daughter is a horse lover so I am considering a = nice horse head picture.


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Wood" To: Bungi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Subject: bungi: small window using foil Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 10:07:55 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@compuserve.com> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "strainsa" >I have primarily been making lamps and small suncatchers. I was thinkin= g about making a 2 foot circular window for my daughter and was wondering i= f anyone has ever done something of this size using copper foil. What widt= h foil would be the best? Would I still have to use cement/grout? Would t= he window be strong enough using the foil instead of lead came? Any ideas o= r hints would be appreciated. My daughter is a horse lover so I am considering a nice horse head picture.< Sure, I've done lots of panels that size or larger using copper foil. Us= e the width of foil appropriate to the glass width. For thin glass such as= glue chip or smooth, use 3/16" wide. For "normal" stained glass width su= ch as waterglass, hammered, seedy, etc. use 7/32". For highly textured and/= or thicker glass such as Baroque, ripple, ice, granite, etc. use 1/4". You don't use cement or grout with copper foil unless you are putting the= copper foiled panel inside a lead outter frame, and then using that windo= w as an exterior window (i.e. it is the only glass between the inside of th= e house and the outside - there is no plate glass already there). In that= instance, your panel would be an exterior window, and you would need to weatherseal it by puttying the copper foil panel into the lead frame. Bu= t I've never done a window in this manner. I've always had either an insulated double pane window or at least a piece of clear float glass in place for the exterior, and then placed the stained glass panel up agains= t it. The copper foil panel will actually be stronger than a lead window, since= solder is a combination of tin and lead, and is stronger/stiffer than 100= % lead. Hint: Plan out HOW you are going to install the panel WAY before you deci= de anything else. What type of frame will you use? How will it fit into th= e opening? Using thin, flexible wood molding? Using lead? Is it to be placed up against an existing exterior window? Are their mullions (wooden/plastic cross pieces) already there which you have to take into account? If there are mullions, can they be removed so you can design th= e window any way you want, or...if they cannot be removed...does that limit= your choice of glass to only opaque glass in order to minimize the mullions? What material will you use to install the panel? Screws? = Nails? Silicone? Wood moldings? Combinations of the above? Hanging fro= m eye hooks? One of the biggest mistakes a person can make in doing stained glass is t= o only think about the "fun" parts of the project, and not consider the "mechanical" parts until far too late. Take care of these details first,= and the rest of the project will go much smoother, since you already have= a plan for the most difficult parts. Christie A. 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I was = thinking about making a 2 foot circular window for my daughter and was = wondering if anyone has ever done something of this size using copper = foil. What width foil would be the best? Would I still have to use = cement/grout? Would the window be strong enough using the foil instead = of lead came? Any ideas or hints would be appreciated. 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________________________________________________________________________ ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C2C952.ED04A100-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 2 20:44:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 20:13:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: ptdprolog.net!suzi1025 From: suzanne albright To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Re: small window using foil Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 00:56:15 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@ptdprolog.net> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@netzero.net>>>>>>>> Precedence: bulk > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3126905776_973388_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Yes, I have done this. Use whatever width of foil works for the thickness of the glass you are using. No grout or cement with copper foil. Yes, the window will be strong enough if you have enough solder lines crossing each other (a horse certainly would) and if you edge it all the way around in either zinc, copper or lead. (1/8" is bendable). Good luck, have fun. Suzanne on 1/31/03 7:02 PM, strainsa at strainsa@netzero.net wrote: I have primarily been making lamps and small suncatchers. I was thinking about making a 2 foot circular window for my daughter and was wondering if anyone has ever done something of this size using copper foil. What width foil would be the best? Would I still have to use cement/grout? Would the window be strong enough using the foil instead of lead came? Any ideas or hints would be appreciated. My daughter is a horse lover so I am considering a nice horse head picture. --MS_Mac_OE_3126905776_973388_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: small window using foil Yes, I have done this.

Use whatever width of foil works for the thickness of the glass you are usi= ng. No grout or cement with copper foil. Yes, the window will be strong enou= gh if you have enough solder lines crossing each other (a horse certainly wo= uld) and if you edge it all the way around in either zinc, copper or lead. (= 1/8" is bendable). Good luck, have fun.

Suzanne

on 1/31/03 7:02 PM, strainsa at strainsa@netzero.net wrote:

I have primarily been making = lamps and small suncatchers.  I was thinking about making a 2 foot circ= ular window for my daughter and was wondering if anyone has ever done someth= ing of this size using copper foil.  What width foil would be the best?=  Would I still have to use cement/grout?  Would the window be str= ong enough using the foil instead of lead came?  Any ideas or hints wou= ld be appreciated.  My daughter is a horse lover so I am considering a = nice horse head picture.


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I was = thinking about making a 2 foot circular window for my daughter and was = wondering if anyone has ever done something of this size using copper = foil. What width foil would be the best? Would I still have to use = cement/grout? Would the window be strong enough using the foil instead = of lead came? Any ideas or hints would be appreciated. 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Use whatever width of foil works for the thickness of the glass you are usi= ng. No grout or cement with copper foil. Yes, the window will be strong enou= gh if you have enough solder lines crossing each other (a horse certainly wo= uld) and if you edge it all the way around in either zinc, copper or lead. (= 1/8" is bendable). Good luck, have fun.

Suzanne

on 1/31/03 7:02 PM, strainsa at strainsa@netzero.net wrote:

I have primarily been making = lamps and small suncatchers.  I was thinking about making a 2 foot circ= ular window for my daughter and was wondering if anyone has ever done someth= ing of this size using copper foil.  What width foil would be the best?=  Would I still have to use cement/grout?  Would the window be str= ong enough using the foil instead of lead came?  Any ideas or hints wou= ld be appreciated.  My daughter is a horse lover so I am considering a = nice horse head picture.


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I was = thinking about making a 2 foot circular window for my daughter and was = wondering if anyone has ever done something of this size using copper = foil. What width foil would be the best? Would I still have to use = cement/grout? Would the window be strong enough using the foil instead = of lead came? Any ideas or hints would be appreciated. My daughter is = a horse lover so I am considering a nice horse head picture. ________________________________________________________________________ This=20e-mail=20has=20been=20scanned=20for=20all=20viruses=20by=20Star=20I= nternet.=20The service=20is=20powered=20by=20MessageLabs.=20For=20more=20information=20on= =20a=20proactive anti-virus=20service=20working=20around=20the=20clock,=20around=20the=20gl= obe,=20visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ This=20e-mail=20has=20been=20scanned=20for=20all=20viruses=20by=20Star=20I= nternet.=20The service=20is=20powered=20by=20MessageLabs.=20For=20more=20information=20on= =20a=20proactive anti-virus=20service=20working=20around=20the=20clock,=20around=20the=20gl= obe,=20visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ This=20e-mail=20has=20been=20scanned=20for=20all=20viruses=20by=20Star=20I= nternet.=20The service=20is=20powered=20by=20MessageLabs.=20For=20more=20information=20on= =20a=20proactive anti-virus=20service=20working=20around=20the=20clock,=20around=20the=20gl= obe,=20visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ This=20e-mail=20has=20been=20scanned=20for=20all=20viruses=20by=20Star=20I= nternet.=20The service=20is=20powered=20by=20MessageLabs.=20For=20more=20information=20on= =20a=20proactive anti-virus=20service=20working=20around=20the=20clock,=20around=20the=20gl= obe,=20visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ This=20e-mail=20has=20been=20scanned=20for=20all=20viruses=20by=20Star=20I= nternet.=20The service=20is=20powered=20by=20MessageLabs.=20For=20more=20information=20on= =20a=20proactive anti-virus=20service=20working=20around=20the=20clock,=20around=20the=20gl= obe,=20visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ This=20e-mail=20has=20been=20scanned=20for=20all=20viruses=20by=20Star=20I= nternet.=20The service=20is=20powered=20by=20MessageLabs.=20For=20more=20information=20on= =20a=20proactive anti-virus=20service=20working=20around=20the=20clock,=20around=20the=20gl= obe,=20visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ This=20e-mail=20has=20been=20scanned=20for=20all=20viruses=20by=20Star=20I= nternet.=20The service=20is=20powered=20by=20MessageLabs.=20For=20more=20information=20on= =20a=20proactive anti-virus=20service=20working=20around=20the=20clock,=20around=20the=20gl= obe,=20visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ This=20e-mail=20has=20been=20scanned=20for=20all=20viruses=20by=20Star=20I= nternet.=20The service=20is=20powered=20by=20MessageLabs.=20For=20more=20information=20on= =20a=20proactive anti-virus=20service=20working=20around=20the=20clock,=20around=20the=20gl= obe,=20visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________ ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C2C952.ED04A100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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I was = thinking about making a 2 foot circular window for my daughter and was = wondering if anyone has ever done something of this size using copper = foil. What width foil would be the best? Would I still have to use = cement/grout? Would the window be strong enough using the foil instead = of lead came? Any ideas or hints would be appreciated. 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I was = thinking about making a 2 foot circular window for my daughter and was = wondering if anyone has ever done something of this size using copper = foil. What width foil would be the best? Would I still have to use = cement/grout? Would the window be strong enough using the foil instead = of lead came? Any ideas or hints would be appreciated. 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--part1_1a9.106a44af.2b6fc11b_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 3 08:53:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 08:47:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: dlr From: dlr@bungi.com (Dave Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Duplicate postings Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 08:44:50 PST Message-ID: Precedence: bulk The problem with duplicate postings was one of the list users anti-virus filters. They were feeding back the received messages to the list. I've spam-filtered the text, so it should not appear any longer. People can get things wrong in so many ways... -- Dave Rand dlr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 3 14:08:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 13:09:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: verizon.net!moya.oneal From: "Moya O'Neal" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0035_01C2CB9C.E1F06500" Subject: Re:repeat Mail Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 15:56:58 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@verizon.net> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C2CB9C.E1F06500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Dave, I was wondering what the problem was. I can't say it was a problem, I = have a delete button and used it. I am just glad it wasn't a virus = getting into your server. Thanks for clearing it up for us. I really = appreciate the service you provide all of us. I still learn from this = group. Moya ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C2CB9C.E1F06500 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Dave,
I was wondering what the problem = was.  I can't=20 say it was a problem, I have a delete button and used it.  I am = just glad=20 it wasn't a virus getting into your server.  Thanks for clearing it = up for=20 us.  I really appreciate the service you provide all of us.  I = still=20 learn from this group.
Moya
------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C2CB9C.E1F06500-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 4 13:47:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 13:22:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: aol.com!TheWrightLight From: TheWrightLight@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_12b.21fdc0f8.2b71878f_boundary" Subject: cutting mirror Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 16:15:59 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com> Precedence: bulk --part1_12b.21fdc0f8.2b71878f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Do you cut the mirror on the back or front? Thanks, Maggie --part1_12b.21fdc0f8.2b71878f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Do you cut the mirror on=20= the back or front?
Thanks, Maggie
--part1_12b.21fdc0f8.2b71878f_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 4 18:09:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 17:25:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: ptdprolog.net!suzi1025 From: suzanne albright To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Re: cutting mirror Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 20:22:35 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@ptdprolog.net> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com>> Precedence: bulk > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3127234956_56434_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Front. Be careful not to disturb the backing. After your mirror is cut, you should spray it with mirror protectant on the sides and back, or at least brush some nail polish over the sides. The silver backing can be ruined by contact with flux! Suzanne on 2/4/03 4:15 PM, TheWrightLight@aol.com at TheWrightLight@aol.com wrote: Do you cut the mirror on the back or front? Thanks, Maggie --MS_Mac_OE_3127234956_56434_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: cutting mirror Front. Be careful not to disturb the backing. After your mirror is cut, you= should spray it with mirror protectant on the sides and back, or at least b= rush some nail polish over the sides. The silver backing can be ruined by co= ntact with flux!

Suzanne

on 2/4/03 4:15 PM, TheWrightLight@aol.com at TheWrightLight@aol.com wrote:<= BR>
Do you cut the mirror on the back or front?
Thanks, Maggie


--MS_Mac_OE_3127234956_56434_MIME_Part-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 6 13:21:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 13:03:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: qc.aira.com!marche.france From: "=?windows-1252?Q?March=E9_France?=" To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?Ouverture_de_march=E9_France_-_French_market_distribution?= Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 16:19:40 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@qc.aira.com> Organization: Sdia inc. Precedence: bulk Bonjour, Nous avons le plaisir de vous informer que nous organisons une t=E9l=E9con= f=E9rence d'affaires sur les m=E9thodes d'implantation de produits et serv= ices qu=E9b=E9cois en France=2E Si vous =EAtes int=E9ress=E9 =E0 valider vos produits aupr=E8s de soci=E9t= =E9s fran=E7aises et participer =E0 ce rendez-vous d'affaire, merci de nou= s communiquer un dossier d'informations sur vos produits et services par t= =E9l=E9copieur ou courriel=2E Hello,=20 We are pleased to inform you of our upcoming teleconference related to imp= lementation methods for Quebec products and services onto the French marke= t=2E=20 If you are interested to participate in this business teleconference and t= o validate your products with French companies, send us an information doc= ument concerning your company, your products and/or services by email or f= ax=2E Sinc=E8res salutations / Sincerely yours Pascal Fernand, Responsable March=E9 France/ French Market Coordinator Tel=2E : 514 844-9993 - Fax : 514 284-0090 Ce courriel est adress=E9 aux soci=E9t=E9s inscrites suite aux =E9v=E8neme= nts suivants :=20 -Demande d'informations sur un de nos =E9v=E8nements ant=E9rieurs -Visite de site web commerciaux Pour ne plus faire parti de notre liste de diffusion, veuillez cliquer sur= desinscription@qc=2Eaira=2Ecom This email is destined to companies that subscribed following these events= : -Companies that have requested information for prior events -Visit of commercial web sites To be taken off our distribution list, please reply at desinscription@qc=2E= aira=2Ecom Sdia inc=2E T=E9l=2E : 514 844-9993 Fax : 514 284-0090 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 11 10:37:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:27:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: webtv.net!captjonmisspat From: captjonmisspat@webtv.net (John Triano) To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Subject: Unsubscribe me Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 20:54:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@webtv.net> Precedence: bulk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 11 10:52:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:29:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: webtv.net!captjonmisspat From: captjonmisspat@webtv.net (John Triano) To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Subject: Unsubscribe me Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 20:57:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@webtv.net> Precedence: bulk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 11 11:08:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 20:36:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: peak.org!weaver51 From: "Elaine & Howard Rubin" To: "Howard" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006A_01C2D143.CABD1AC0" Subject: new address for Elaine and Howard Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 20:34:21 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@peak.org> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006A_01C2D143.CABD1AC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Folks, we now have DSL, but had to change our email address(es) to do it. If you want to contact Elaine or both of us, please use: = weaver51@peak.org=20 For just Howard, please use: inhockdeep@peak.org We apologize if you receive this message more than once, or even = numerous times...it just means you're very special to us and are on more = than one list. Looking forward to hearing from you, Elaine and Howard (Mom and Dad to some of you) To Email Elaine or Howard USE: weaver51@peak.org To Email Howard only USE: inhockdeep@peak.org TO SEE MY SHADES: http://home.teleport.com/~weaver51/lamps ------=_NextPart_000_006A_01C2D143.CABD1AC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 

 
Hi Folks,
we now have DSL, but = had to change=20 our email address(es) to do it.
 
If you want to contact = Elaine or=20 both of us, please use:  weaver51@peak.org
For just Howard, = please use: =20 inhockdeep@peak.org
 
We apologize if you receive this message more than once, or even = numerous=20 times...it just means you're very special to us and are on more than one = list.
 
Looking forward to = hearing from=20 you,
Elaine and Howard (Mom = and Dad to=20 some of you)
 
 
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To Email = Howard only=20 USE: inhockdeep@peak.org
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------=_NextPart_000_006A_01C2D143.CABD1AC0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 12 15:19:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 14:58:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: aol.com!WaynLinda From: WaynLinda@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: tirm Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 17:52:47 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com> Precedence: bulk I just bought some brass trim to go around the outside of a project. I left the solder silver color and that is how I want the trim to be. The trim is filigree so I don't really want to tin it, but if I paint it, then I can't solder it on right? I appreciate this group more than you can possible know! Linda ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 13 06:56:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 06:34:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Subject: bungi: tirm Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 09:25:47 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@compuserve.com> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:WaynLinda@aol.com >I just bought some brass trim to go around the outside of a project. I left = the solder silver color and that is how I want the trim to be. The trim i= s = filigree so I don't really want to tin it, but if I paint it, then I can'= t = solder it on right? I appreciate this group more than you can possible know! < Right. Best to tin and clean it before you solder it on. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles Denton, TX ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 14 07:53:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 07:41:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: northlights.co.uk!toby From: "Toby" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Stained glass teachers in Australia??? Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 15:26:44 -0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@northlights.co.uk> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@infobal.com>> Precedence: bulk Hello dear Friends, Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK coming out of "lurkdom" again. I have a student in UK who is emmigrating to Australia in a few months time and she would like to continue her stained glass learning. Are there any of you out there in Australia ?? Tanya - my student- is moving to Perth. Initially, any contact in Australia for me to start off with, would be great. Many greetings from Across The Pond! Toby and Meric are doing fine. ...And I WILL answer those of you I owe a reply.... Elisabeth in UK www.northlights.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 14 08:49:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 08:32:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: aol.com!CUngv From: CUngv@aol.com To: toby@northlights.co.uk, glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Stained glass teachers in Australia??? Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 11:26:23 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com> Precedence: bulk Elisabeth, Just yesterday I was browsing the pattern books at my local stained glass shops and I was again impressed with the work of Jillian Sawyer, who has published several books and who owns a studio in Perth. I don't have any idea if she teaches, but I found her email address, firebird@iinet.net.au. She may be able to suggest someone good. There is a website for the publisher of her books at http://www.glassbooks.com.au/index.html. I hope this helps. Carolyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 14 18:53:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 18:38:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: qc.aira.com!marche.france From: "=?windows-1252?Q?March=E9_France?=" To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?Ouverture_de_march=E9_en_France?= Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 22:03:16 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@qc.aira.com> Organization: Sdia inc. Precedence: bulk Bonjour, Nous avons le plaisir de vous informer que nous organisons une t=E9l=E9con= f=E9rence d'affaires sur les m=E9thodes de r=E9f=E9rencements de produits = qu=E9b=E9cois dans la grande distribution et la distribution sp=E9cialis=E9= e fran=E7aise=2E Si vous =EAtes int=E9ress=E9 =E0 valider vos produits aupr=E8s de soci=E9t= =E9s fran=E7aises et participer =E0 ce rendez-vous d'affaire, merci de nou= s communiquer un dossier d'informations sur vos produits par t=E9l=E9copie= ur ou courriel=2E Sinc=E8res salutations Pascal Fernand, Responsable march=E9 France Tel=2E : (514) 844-9993 poste 222 - Fax : (514) 284-0090 Hello,=20 We are pleased to inform you of our upcoming teleconference on referencing= methods for canadian products onto the French general and specialized dis= tribution networks=2E If you are interested in participating and validating your products with F= rench companies specialized in referencing products with retail outlets an= d buying groups, ask us for an information document=2E=20 Sinc=E8res salutations/ Sincerely yours Pascal Fernand, Responsable march=E9 France / French Market advisor Tel=2E : (514) 844-9993 poste 222 - Fax : (514) 284-0090 Ce courriel est adress=E9 aux soci=E9t=E9s inscrites suite aux =E9v=E8neme= nts suivants :=20 -Demande d'informations sur un de nos =E9v=E8nements ant=E9rieurs -Visite de site web commerciaux Pour ne plus faire parti de notre liste de diffusion, veuillez cliquer sur= desinscription@qc=2Eaira=2Ecom This email is destined to companies that subscribed following these events= : -Companies that have requested information for prior events -Visit of commercial web sites To be taken off our distribution list, please reply at desinscription@qc=2E= aira=2Ecom Sdia inc=2E T=E9l=2E : 514 844-9993 Fax : 514 284-0090 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 14 23:34:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 23:22:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: cox.net!bobfuses From: "Bob D." To: "bungi list" , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: =?Windows-1252?Q?Re:_Ouverture_de_march=E9_en_France?= Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 23:18:45 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@cox.net> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@qc.aira.com>> Precedence: bulk This is not a good time for French companies to be spaming honest US mailing lists! Please try to get a little class. Bob in 92026 "If you are going through hell- keep going." ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 16 14:29:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 Feb 2003 13:52:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: aol.com!SGriffiSBG From: SGriffiSBG@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_30.38c396a8.2b816120_boundary" Subject: not getting any mail Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 16:48:16 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com> Precedence: bulk --part1_30.38c396a8.2b816120_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i havent gotten mail except from 2 or 3 people for several weeks. No one 'talking' or is it my server? miss you guys.... --part1_30.38c396a8.2b816120_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i havent gotten mail except from 2 or 3 people for sev= eral weeks.  No one 'talking' or is it my server?   miss you=20= guys.... --part1_30.38c396a8.2b816120_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 16 15:26:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 Feb 2003 14:48:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: peak.org!inhockdeep From: "InHockDeep" To: "bungi" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01E9_01C2D5CA.50A50FA0" Subject: test 245 pm sunday Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 14:47:23 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@peak.org> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01E9_01C2D5CA.50A50FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To Email Elaine or Howard USE: weaver51@peak.org To Email Howard only USE: inhockdeep@peak.org TO SEE MY SHADES: http://home.teleport.com/~weaver51/lamps WILL BE CLOSING TELEPORT SHORTLY!!! ------=_NextPart_000_01E9_01C2D5CA.50A50FA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
 
 
To Email Elaine or = Howard USE: weaver51@peak.org
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------=_NextPart_000_01E9_01C2D5CA.50A50FA0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 16 15:56:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 Feb 2003 15:37:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Subject: bungi:not getting any mail Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 18:32:43 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@compuserve.com> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:SGriffiSBG@aol.com >i havent gotten mail except from 2 or 3 people for several weeks. No on= e = 'talking' or is it my server? miss you guys....< I am swamped with work! Got 23 panels/lampshades awaiting repair, plus (= 2) 71" tall sidelights, (1) extra large hanging panel, (2) smaller abstract panels and about (10) kitchen cabinet panels awaiting construction. Can'= t keep up! Got 2 part-time college students helping, plus my Mom, but can'= t keep up! Yikes. Can't find room for all these things! Thank goodness I've got 3 installations this coming week...that will help clear up some space on my cutting desk. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles Denton, TX ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 16 16:30:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 Feb 2003 15:52:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: attbi.com!jerryc34 From: Jerry To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: not getting any mail Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 18:44:16 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@attbi.com> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com>> Precedence: bulk I'm here. Have been planning out a window I want to build for my front door and just completed a small suncatcher that will be going on my web site shortly. Now to see if it can remain there or if Apple Lawyers are going to e mail be to remove it :-/ Think everyone must be busy on projects. I've gotten some mail but hasn't been very active Jerry -- http://homepage.mac.com/jerry02149 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 17 00:54:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 Feb 2003 00:42:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: internationalbeveragenetwork.com!import From: International Beverage Network To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="3e2683f9-f9eb-4083-a720-9d698293d91b" Subject: Beverage World Directory & U.S. Market Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 00:12:08 -0800 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format --3e2683f9-f9eb-4083-a720-9d698293d91b Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If you can't see this message, please go to = http://www.internationalbeveragenetwork.com Announcement

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--3e2683f9-f9eb-4083-a720-9d698293d91b-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 17 12:52:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 Feb 2003 12:17:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: starstiming.com!info From: "ÊæÞíÊ ÇáäÌæã" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 23:12:09 +0300 Message-ID: <200302172013.h1HKDRL4000162@riy-01-s1.saudi.net.sa> Precedence: bulk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 17 13:05:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 Feb 2003 12:20:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: starstiming.com!info From: "ÊæÞíÊ ÇáäÌæã" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 23:12:10 +0300 Message-ID: <200302172013.h1HKDTL4000174@riy-01-s1.saudi.net.sa> Precedence: bulk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 18 03:44:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 03:12:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: netzero.com!mrdicksonduke From: mrdicksonduke@netzero.com To: mrdicksonduke@netzero.com Subject: URGENT LEGAL BUSINESS ASSISTANCE NEEDED Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 11:07:18 GMT Message-ID: <20030218.030742.13596.87482@webmail01.lax.untd.com> Precedence: bulk SIR I am Mr Dickson Duke, a director with the AFRICAN CONTINETAL BANK VIA LOME here in TOGO. There was a client of mine who died with his entire family in an air crash aboard Ethiopian Airlines, flight 961 in 1999 while on vacation. Prior to his death, I was his banker and confidant who held a lot of issues in trust for him including his Bank account, certificate of deposits with a security company all under my supervision and control. My late friend died in testate (without a will) leaving no authority to a next of kin thereby making his treasures vulnerable to claim by any person with documentary evidence of his total fund USD$50million. Out of this, only US$30million is in the bank while the balance of US$20 million is with a security company. Owing to government fiscal policy on dormant accounts especially those domiciled in foreign currencies are frozen and converted for government use after five years of dormancy either in the bank or the security company. I am in possession all relevant documents to this Fund and avenues through which this fund can be taken out of the country.i If you are interested in this deal, your name which is same as his will be presented to the bank and the security company which will be used to claim the fund as if my late friend left a claim or authority in your name and because you are a foreigner this will be easy to do as he was also a foreigner. The procedure being that you will be required to open a domiciliary account with another local bank HERE from where the fund of my late friend in both in the security company and the bank will be moved to your would be account at no suspicion or problem at all, from where the fund will finally leave the country. In the light of this, you will be required to write an application as the next of kin of my late friend; after the application has been processed you will then open the account for the domestic transfer of this fund. The reward of your efforts, collaboration and assistance will be 50% of the fund less expenses. At the conclusion of this transaction I will come to your country for the sharing of the money or any other country nominated by you for this purpose, and would also invest my own share there at your advice. Be fully assured that this transaction is leak proof and totally risk free. Treat with utmost dispatch. I am waiting for your response, Best Regards Mr Dickson Duke ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 18 13:02:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 12:46:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: aol.com!FuchsiaFan From: FuchsiaFan@aol.com To: !0000, ROAdams@aol.com, bvailes@earthlink.net, Allanbmac@cs.com, Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_bc.3445088f.2b83ec81_boundary" Subject: New Virus With a Clock Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 15:07:29 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com> Precedence: bulk --part1_bc.3445088f.2b83ec81_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message from Mike Altman To All: A virus has been passed on to me by a contact. My address book WAS infected. Since you are in my address book, there is a good chance you will find it in your computer too. The virus (called jdbgmgr.exe) is not detected by Norton or McAfee Anti-virus systems. The virus sits quietly for 14 days before damaging the system. It is sent automatically by messenger and by the address book, whether or not you sent Emails to your contacts. Here's how to check for the virus and how to get rid of it: YOU MUST DO THIS 1. Go to Start, Find or search option 2. In the file'folder option, type the name jdbgmgr.exe 3. Be sure you search your C: drive and all sub-folders and any other drives you may have. 4. Click "find now" 5. The Virus has a Teddy Bear icon with the name jdbgmgr.exe DO NOT OPEN IT 6. Go to Edit (on menu bar) in the FIND box you are presently in, choose "select all" to highlight the file without opening it. 7. Now go to File (on the menu bar) and select delete. It will then go to the Recycle Bin. IF YOU FIND THE VIRUS, YOU MUST CONTACT ALL THE PEOPLE IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK, SO THEY CAN ERADICATE IT IN THEIR OWN ADDRESS BOOKS. To do this: (a) Open a new e-mail message (b) Click the icon of the address book (c) Highlight every name and add to "BCC" (d) Copy this message and paste to e-mail Phyllis Alexander Sisters, Inc. 2110 Riverside Drive Norman,OK 73072-6613 (405) 447-7138 --part1_bc.3445088f.2b83ec81_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Message from Mike Altman




To All:

A virus has been passed on to me by a contact. My address book WAS infected.=

Since you are in my address book, there is a good chance you will find it in= your computer too.


The virus (called jdbgmgr.exe) is not detected by Norton or McAfee
Anti-virus systems. The virus sits quietly for 14 days before damaging the s= ystem. It is sent automatically by messenger and by the address book, =20= whether or not you sent Emails to your contacts.


Here's how to check for the virus and how to get rid of it: YOU MUST DO THIS=


1. Go to Start, Find or search option

2. In the file'folder option, type the name jdbgmgr.exe

3. Be sure you search your C: drive and all sub-folders and any other drives= you may have.

4. Click "find now"

5. The Virus has a Teddy Bear icon with the name jdbgmgr.exe DO NOT OPEN=20= IT

6. Go to Edit (on menu bar) in the FIND box you are presently in, choose "se= lect all" to highlight the file without opening it.

7. Now go to File (on the menu bar) and select delete. It will then go to the Recycle Bin.


IF YOU FIND THE VIRUS, YOU MUST CONTACT ALL THE PEOPLE IN YOUR

ADDRESS BOOK, SO THEY CAN ERADICATE IT IN THEIR OWN ADDRESS BOOKS.

To do this:

(a) Open a new e-mail message

(b) Click the icon of the address book

(c) Highlight every name and add to "BCC"

(d) Copy this message and paste to e-mail


Phyllis Alexander

Sisters, Inc.

2110 Riverside Drive

Norman,OK 73072-6613

(405) 447-7138





--part1_bc.3445088f.2b83ec81_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 18 13:21:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 12:53:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: beaver.k12.ok.us!jpayne From: Jan Payne - Beaver Schools To: Mike Altman , ROAdams@aol.com, bvailes@earthlink.net, Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Re: New Virus With a Clock Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 14:22:02 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@beaver.k12.ok.us> References: <> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_0ovBx76ZzlYTSJNeet6dnQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Do not delete this file!! Do not! It is = a file that is needed to run your computer! This is a HOAX email! Jan ----- Original Message -----=20 =46rom: FuchsiaFan@aol.com=20 To: !0000@dash.onenet.net ; ROAdams@aol.com ; bvailes@earthlink.net ;= Allanbmac@cs.com ; Justbodee@aol.com ; altmca1@ghnw.ghc.org ; DAltma= n@MD-Network.com ; JaneAltman@sbcglobal.net ; Altmanp@pacbell.net ; a= ltman@mail.provalue.net ; Rjavea@aol.com ; AOLTechACM@aol.com ; ballo= u@mbo.net ; Rbarby@ptsi.net ; BearFlt@aol.com ; Lewis_Beaver@Kongigin= ak.LKSD.org ; Ungawa@IXI.net ; Rnjboyd@aol.com ; ebreiden@hiline.net = ; Sandug8206@icehouse.net ; BCBrown@aol.com ; panoram1@webmail.bmi.ne= t ; Campbell106@aol.com ; cbaskin@msn.com ; cindej@earthlink.net ; Te= aMarie03@yahoo.com ; JudyJudyC@msn.com ; Sierrarat@aol.com ; Crosspea= k@aol.com ; TahoeJeni@aol.com ; Dahlhaus@myhome.net ; Bigskye@adelphi= a.net ; Dgailmac@cs.com ; Eschbach@UofS.edu ; DonaFellows@msn.com ; t= hecoldone@gci.net ; Will@savvydiner.com ; glass@bungi.com ; grotep@ss= -studio.de ; Joanie@savvydiner.com ; sphantgin@dslextreme.com ; RLHen= @aol.com ; Lherchenson@telus.net ; res1hakh@verizon.net ; Ahimmler@st= eilacoom.k12.wa.us ; ArtandNoi@harbornet.com ; HOULTight@aol.com ; si= gkurak@yahoo.com ; info@energyrelease.com ; JernNita@aol.com ; JerryC= 34@attbi.com ; jlewien@realpeoplebank.com ; JSuebrian@aol.com ; Russj= 3@yahoo.com ; barbkampe@MSN.com ; JLKeltner@techline.com ; gknapp@the= officenet.com ; knapptime@theofficenet.com ; Dlawfirst@hotmail.com ; = davidlaw.1@netzero.com ; JXLec@uswest.net ; Sewpfun@aol.com ; Mlutes@= MSB.mat-su.k12.ak.us ; Manring2@pomeroy-wa.com ; marcieak@ptialaska.n= et ; McPherso@cwu.edu ; Susanmelvin50@msn.com ; VJMelvin@supersat2.ne= t ; Hopscotch2@earthlink.net ; Mamunger@Davidson.edu ; twobarA@televa= r.com ; soulika@axionet.com ; horsehead@centurytel.net ; orders@brown= materials.com ; Gracky@olypen.com ; Noahpalmer@mail.telepac.pt ; Jimp= ark@aya.yale.edu ; broknbar@ptsi.net ; Jpayne@beaver.K12.ok.us ; Mary= annpearson@hotmail.com ; Dprobasco@msb.mat-su.K12.ak.us ; Pshmt@aol.c= om ; IMNRXERRIB@aol.com ; Richsa@wolfenet.com ; Alan_Rimer@reddaug.or= g ; arimer@rdpsd.ab.ca ; Rocky1@nwinfo.net ; Northwoodpk@webtv.net ; = HappyLady001@msn.com ; Peni47@hotmail.com ; Spaciousbaby@aol.com ; Se= attle@caylx.nl ; bstball@televar.com ; JLS267@stargate.pitt.edu ; Bev= stoaks@hotmail.com ; lstrauss@spokanecounty.org ; Streicha@pngusa.net= ; EStreich@WesternPeterbilt.com ; streicha@pngusa.net ; tees@plix.co= m ; JacqueDuane@earthlink.net ; vogelsr@PDX.edu ; Wazzualtman@yahoo.c= om ; Wileworks@norlight.org ; Dwing@harbornet.com ; KCW@olypen.com ; = CharlesW99@aol.com ; WillW@olypen.com ; waddink@worldonline.NL ; L165= 4w@telus.net ; Dottydid@Freeland.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 2:07 PM Subject: New Virus With a Clock Message from Mike Altman To All:=20 A virus has been passed on to me by a contact. My address book WAS in= fected.=20 Since you are in my address book, there is a good chance you will fin= d it in your computer too.=20 The virus (called jdbgmgr.exe) is not detected by Norton or McAfee= =20 Anti-virus systems. The virus sits quietly for 14 days before damagin= g the system. It is sent automatically by messenger and by the addres= s book, whether or not you sent Emails to your contacts.=20 Here's how to check for the virus and how to get rid of it: YOU MUST = DO THIS=20 1. Go to Start, Find or search option=20 2. In the file'folder option, type the name jdbgmgr.exe=20 3. Be sure you search your C: drive and all sub-folders and any other= drives you may have.=20 4. Click "find now"=20 5. The Virus has a Teddy Bear icon with the name jdbgmgr.exe DO NOT O= PEN IT=20 6. Go to Edit (on menu bar) in the FIND box you are presently in, cho= ose "select all" to highlight the file without opening it.=20 7. Now go to File (on the menu bar) and select delete. It will then g= o to=20 the Recycle Bin.=20 IF YOU FIND THE VIRUS, YOU MUST CONTACT ALL THE PEOPLE IN YOUR=20 ADDRESS BOOK, SO THEY CAN ERADICATE IT IN THEIR OWN ADDRESS BOOKS.= =20 To do this:=20 (a) Open a new e-mail message=20 (b) Click the icon of the address book=20 (c) Highlight every name and add to "BCC"=20 (d) Copy this message and paste to e-mail=20 Phyllis Alexander=20 Sisters, Inc.=20 2110 Riverside Drive=20 Norman,OK 73072-6613=20 (405) 447-7138=20 --Boundary_(ID_0ovBx76ZzlYTSJNeet6dnQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Do not delete this file!!  Do not!  It is a file that is needed to run your computer!  This is a HOAX email!
 
Jan
 
 
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To: !0000@dash.onenet.net ; ROAdams@aol.com ; bvailes@earthlink.net ; Allanbmac@cs.com ; Justbodee@aol.com ; altmca1@ghnw.ghc.org ; DAltman@MD-Network.com ; JaneAltman@sbcglobal.net ; Altmanp@pacbell.net ; altman@mail.provalue.net ; Rjavea@aol.com ; AOLTechACM@aol.com ; ballou@mbo.net ; Rbarby@ptsi.net ; BearFlt@aol.com ; Lewis_Beaver@Kongiginak.LKSD.org ; Ungawa@IXI.net ; Rnjboyd@aol.com ; ebreiden@hiline.net ; Sandug8206@icehouse.net ; BCBrown@aol.com ; panoram1@webmail.bmi.net ; Campbell106@aol.com ; cbaskin@msn.com ; cindej@earthlink.net ; TeaMarie03@yahoo.com ; JudyJudyC@msn.com ; Sierrarat@aol.com ; Crosspeak@aol.com ; TahoeJeni@aol.com ; Dahlhaus@myhome.net ; Bigskye@adelphia.net ; Dgailmac@cs.com ; Eschbach@UofS.edu ; DonaFellows@msn.com ; thecoldone@gci.net ; Will@savvydiner.com ; glass@bungi.com ; grotep@ss-studio.de ; Joanie@savvydiner.com ; sphantgin@dslextreme.com ; RLHen@aol.com ; Lherchenson@telus.net ; res1hakh@verizon.net ; Ahimmler@steilacoom.k12.wa.us ; ArtandNoi@harbornet.com ; HOULTight@aol.com ; sigkurak@yahoo.com ; info@energyrelease.com ; JernNita@aol.com ; JerryC34@attbi.com ; jlewien@realpeoplebank.com ; JSuebrian@aol.com ; Russj3@yahoo.com ; barbkampe@MSN.com ; JLKeltner@techline.com ; gknapp@theofficenet.com ; knapptime@theofficenet.com ; Dlawfirst@hotmail.com ; davidlaw.1@netzero.com ; JXLec@uswest.net ; Sewpfun@aol.com ; Mlutes@MSB.mat-su.k12.ak.us ; Manring2@pomeroy-wa.com ; marcieak@ptialaska.net ; McPherso@cwu.edu ; Susanmelvin50@msn.com ; VJMelvin@supersat2.net ; Hopscotch2@earthlink.net ; Mamunger@Davidson.edu ; twobarA@televar.com ; soulika@axionet.com ; horsehead@centurytel.net ; orders@brownmaterials.com ; Gracky@olypen.com ; Noahpalmer@mail.telepac.pt ; Jimpark@aya.yale.edu ; broknbar@ptsi.net ; Jpayne@beaver.K12.ok.us ; Maryannpearson@hotmail.com ; Dprobasco@msb.mat-su.K12.ak.us ; Pshmt@aol.com ; IMNRXERRIB@aol.com ; Richsa@wolfenet.com ; Alan_Rimer@reddaug.org ; arimer@rdpsd.ab.ca ; Rocky1@nwinfo.net ; Northwoodpk@webtv.net ; HappyLady001@msn.com ; Peni47@hotmail.com ; Spaciousbaby@aol.com ; Seattle@caylx.nl ; bstball@televar.com ; JLS267@stargate.pitt.edu ; Bevstoaks@hotmail.com ; lstrauss@spokanecounty.org ; Streicha@pngusa.net ; EStreich@WesternPeterbilt.com ; streicha@pngusa.net ; tees@plix.com ; JacqueDuane@earthlink.net ; vogelsr@PDX.edu ; Wazzualtman@yahoo.com ; Wileworks@norlight.org ; Dwing@harbornet.com ; KCW@olypen.com ; CharlesW99@aol.com ; WillW@olypen.com ; waddink@worldonline.NL ; L1654w@telus.net ; Dottydid@Freeland.net
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 2:07 PM
Subject: New Virus With a Clock


Message from Mike Altman




To All:

A virus has been passed on to me by a contact. My address book WAS infected.

Since you are in my address book, there is a good chance you will find it in your computer too.


The virus (called jdbgmgr.exe) is not detected by Norton or McAfee
Anti-virus systems. The virus sits quietly for 14 days before damaging the system. It is sent automatically by messenger and by the address book,  whether or not you sent Emails to your contacts.


Here's how to check for the virus and how to get rid of it: YOU MUST DO THIS


1. Go to Start, Find or search option

2. In the file'folder option, type the name jdbgmgr.exe

3. Be sure you search your C: drive and all sub-folders and any other drives you may have.

4. Click "find now"

5. The Virus has a Teddy Bear icon with the name jdbgmgr.exe DO NOT OPEN IT

6. Go to Edit (on menu bar) in the FIND box you are presently in, choose "select all" to highlight the file without opening it.

7. Now go to File (on the menu bar) and select delete. It will then go to
the Recycle Bin.


IF YOU FIND THE VIRUS, YOU MUST CONTACT ALL THE PEOPLE IN YOUR

ADDRESS BOOK, SO THEY CAN ERADICATE IT IN THEIR OWN ADDRESS BOOKS.

To do this:

(a) Open a new e-mail message

(b) Click the icon of the address book

(c) Highlight every name and add to "BCC"

(d) Copy this message and paste to e-mail


Phyllis Alexander

Sisters, Inc.

2110 Riverside Drive

Norman,OK 73072-6613

(405) 447-7138





--Boundary_(ID_0ovBx76ZzlYTSJNeet6dnQ)-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 18 21:02:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 20:35:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: aol.com!JSuebrian From: JSuebrian@aol.com To: jpayne@beaver.k12.ok.us, FuchsiaFan@aol.com, ROAdams@aol.com, Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_10c.1fa1e513.2b84517c_boundary" Subject: Re: New Virus With a Clock Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 22:18:20 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com> Precedence: bulk --part1_10c.1fa1e513.2b84517c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK, Help!! Who do I believe? Who is Phyllis Alexander of Norman, OK? Is she the hoaxter? Who's Jan, who said, No, No, NO, don't delete the jdbgmgr file? I'd like some confirmation as to whether I go thru the rigamarole of finding this file and deleting it, or just forget about it and go on with my life. How about a second or third opinion, please. Thanks. Brian Johnson --part1_10c.1fa1e513.2b84517c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OK, Help!!  Who do I believe?  Who is Phylli= s Alexander of Norman, OK?  Is she the hoaxter?  Who's Jan, who sa= id, No, No, NO, don't delete the jdbgmgr file? 

I'd like some confirmation as to whether I go thru the rigamarole of finding= this file and deleting it, or just forget about it and go on with my life.&= nbsp; How about a second or third opinion, please.  Thanks.  Brian= Johnson
--part1_10c.1fa1e513.2b84517c_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 19 04:54:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 04:23:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: charter.net!mbeisner From: "MB" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C2D7DE.A9C9EE50" Subject: re: virus vs hoax Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 06:18:05 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@charter.net> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C2D7DE.A9C9EE50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It is a hoax. Check out http://www.urbanlegends.com/ In the "select a = topic" box right at the top, select searches, type in the name of the = "virus", hit go. It will take you right to a few articles about this = one. Hope this helps! M ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C2D7DE.A9C9EE50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It is a hoax.  Check out http://www.urbanlegends.com/&nb= sp; =20 In the "select a topic" box right at the top, select searches, type in = the name=20 of the "virus", hit go.  It will take you right to a few articles = about=20 this one.  Hope this helps! M
------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C2D7DE.A9C9EE50-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 19 05:59:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 05:38:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: vcn.com!birkie From: "Vicki" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/related; Subject: re: virus vs hoax Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 06:30:08 -0700 (Mountain Standard Time) Message-ID: <3E5386E0.000004.76147@0020883031> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@charter.net>> Precedence: bulk --------------Boundary-00=_8I5KBHK0000000000000 Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_8I5K6RO0000000000000" --------------Boundary-00=_8I5K6RO0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Another place to check is http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/hoax.html=0D this is the Symantec Security Response page. Just scroll down to Jdbgmgr exe file and it will tell you about the hoax and for anyone that may have deleted the file, it will provide instruction on how to undo.=0D =0D Vicki=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: MB=0D Date: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 06:08:48 AM=0D To: glass@bungi.com=0D Subject: re: virus vs hoax=0D =0D It is a hoax. Check out http://www.urbanlegends.com/ In the "select a topic" box right at the top, select searches, type in the name of the "vi= rus , hit go. It will take you right to a few articles about this one. Hope this helps! M=0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_8I5K6RO0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
this is the Symantec Security Response page.  Just scroll = down to Jdbgmgr.exe file and it will tell you about the hoax and for anyo= ne that may have deleted the file, it will provide instruction on how to = undo.
 
Vicki
 
-------Original Message-------
 
From: MB
Date: Wednesday, F= ebruary 19, 2003 06:08:48 AM
Subject: re: virus= vs hoax
 
It is a hoax.  Check out http://www.urbanlegends.com/ &nbs= p; In the "select a topic" box right at the top, select searches, type in= the name of the "virus", hit go.  It will take you right to a few a= rticles about this one.  Hope this helps! M
 
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We (howard and wife) = were in LV=20 for 6+ weeks cat and house sitting.
MY offer here is to = share a few=20 insights (such as food, mountain areas, and interesting = places) that are=20 not specifically gambling related and probably more effective if = you have=20 more than a weekend and transportation. The allure of the Venetian, NY = NY,=20 Bellagio (waterworks), Treasure Island and Mandalay Bay just to name a = few that=20 are worth seeing for non-gambling stuff. Freemont street light show is=20 impressive.
 
I also have a = portfolio of MANY=20 pictures of the area and they can be viewed by asking, I then send the = link to=20 the photo album to your email address......
Howard (who still = makes lamps and=20 will try to answer questions)
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
To Email Elaine or = Howard USE: weaver51@peak.org
To Email = Howard only=20 USE: inhockdeep@peak.org
TO SEE MY = SHADES: http://home.teleport.co= m/~weaver51/lamps
WILL=20 BE CLOSING TELEPORT SHORTLY!!!
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Sorry bother you. we are proud to show you Chessboard & Backgammon from IRAN a 2500 Years Historycal country.
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---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 19 17:08:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 16:37:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: hotmail.com!urasosure From: Ura S. Sure To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="3834a75a-d323-4b94-8567-9f9c1c62849f" Subject: The future of Unitarian Universalism Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 18:32:57 -0600 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format --3834a75a-d323-4b94-8567-9f9c1c62849f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable www.pvuuc.org --3834a75a-d323-4b94-8567-9f9c1c62849f-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 20 06:09:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 05:42:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: heesun.com!jeanne From: "Jeanne Keane" To: "bungi" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Maryland Open House Invitation Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 08:34:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@heesun.com> Precedence: bulk Hee Sun Stained Glass is proud to announce our 5th anniversary sale and open house. Our anniversary open house and sale will be held this Saturday and Sunday, Feb 22 and Feb 23. The hours Saturday will be 12 til 6 pm with crate sales , featuring Wissmach and Uroborus Glass, at 2pm and 4pm. Sundays hours will be 12 til 4 pm AND for those customers that come in on Sunday also there will be special pricing structure just for those that come in both days......Of course all this is barring another little snowstorm :o) As always we will have free door prizes and lots of specials as well as plenty of food. We look forward to seeing all of you there. We will have glass blowing demonstrations Saturday from 12 - 5 and possibly Sunday from 12-4. A lot has gone on in the past year, including the addition of a lampworking/glassblowing/beadmaking classroom and instructor. Dave Mullen of Yoshi Glass of Virginia Beach has become a member of Hee Sun Stained Glass' family to bring you lampworking/glassblowing/beadmaking classes and finished products. As of April 2003 Dave Mullen of Yoshi Glass will be a permanent and daily part of our studio and we will be offering more classes on lampworking/glassblowing/beadmaking, including clear glass sculptures, christmas ornaments, oil lamps, and more. Please try to stop by this weekend and remember - the more you stop by - the more you can save. BUT you have to show up to save additional and we promise to make it worth your while. See you this weekend. Hee Sun Stained Glass, LTD 2025 Suffolk Road Suite 9 Finksburg, MD 21048 http://www.heesun.com robert@heesun.com 410-833-3007 The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 21 00:20:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 23:42:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: comcast.net!cecnralph From: Cecily & Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Annual Baltimore Craft Show Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 02:29:50 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@comcast.net> Organization: Grendel Studio Precedence: bulk Today, Saturday, and Sunday, at the Civic Center, is the annual Baltimore Craft Show. Juried. Fantastic. Last year there were 97 glass booths, each one finer than the other. Well... Only 3 or 4 stained glass booths, but extremely good. A sprinkling of warm glass, and oodles of hot glass. Last year my husband and I did it in one day and just the glass - and were exhausted. If you also have a yen for hand woven fabrics and hand made clothes, want to pet the pots or the gorgeous wood furniture, covet gold and silver and jewels, etc. you really should get the two day admission. American Craft Council is sponser and the first part of the week was limited to professional buyers. - Cec -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 21 05:25:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 04:56:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: provalue.net!altman From: "Terrie Altman" To: "Mike Altman-WA" , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A8_01C2D973.466E5EE0" Subject: Re: New Virus With a Clock Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 06:34:24 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@provalue.net> References: <> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A8_01C2D973.466E5EE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I usually check this site before doing anything. It has saved me = before. Thought I'd pass it along for you to possibly bookmark. http://vmyths.com/hoax.cfm Terrie ----- Original Message -----=20 From: FuchsiaFan@aol.com=20 To: !0000 ; ROAdams@aol.com ; bvailes@earthlink.net ; Allanbmac@cs.com = ; Justbodee@aol.com ; altmca1@ghnw.ghc.org ; DAltman@MD-Network.com ; = JaneAltman@sbcglobal.net ; Altmanp@pacbell.net ; = altman@mail.provalue.net ; Rjavea@aol.com ; AOLTechACM@aol.com ; = ballou@mbo.net ; Rbarby@ptsi.net ; BearFlt@aol.com ; = Lewis_Beaver@Kongiginak.LKSD.org. ; Ungawa@IXI.net ; Rnjboyd@aol.com ; = ebreiden@hiline.net ; Sandug8206@icehouse.net ; BCBrown@aol.com ; = panoram1@webmail.bmi.net ; Campbell106@aol.com ; cbaskin@msn.com ; = cindej@earthlink.net ; TeaMarie03@yahoo.com ; JudyJudyC@msn.com ; = Sierrarat@aol.com ; Crosspeak@aol.com ; TahoeJeni@aol.com ; = Dahlhaus@myhome.net ; Bigskye@adelphia.net ; Dgailmac@cs.com ; = Eschbach@UofS.edu ; DonaFellows@msn.com ; thecoldone@gci.net ; = Will@savvydiner.com ; glass@bungi.com ; grotep@ss-studio.de ; = Joanie@savvydiner.com ; sphantgin@dslextreme.com ; RLHen@aol.com ; = Lherchenson@telus.net ; res1hakh@verizon.net ; = Ahimmler@steilacoom.k12.wa.us ; ArtandNoi@harbornet.com ; = HOULTight@aol.com ; sigkurak@yahoo.com ; info@energyrelease.com ; = JernNita@aol.com ; JerryC34@attbi.com ; jlewien@realpeoplebank.com ; = JSuebrian@aol.com ; Russj3@yahoo.com ; barbkampe@MSN.com. ; = JLKeltner@techline.com ; gknapp@theofficenet.com ; = knapptime@theofficenet.com ; Dlawfirst@hotmail.com ; = davidlaw.1@netzero.com ; JXLec@uswest.net ; Sewpfun@aol.com ; = Mlutes@MSB.mat-su.k12.ak.us ; Manring2@pomeroy-wa.com ; = marcieak@ptialaska.net ; McPherso@cwu.edu ; Susanmelvin50@msn.com ; = VJMelvin@supersat2.net ; Hopscotch2@earthlink.net ; = Mamunger@Davidson.edu ; twobarA@televar.com ; soulika@axionet.com ; = horsehead@centurytel.net ; orders@brownmaterials.com ; Gracky@olypen.com = ; Noahpalmer@mail.telepac.pt ; Jimpark@aya.yale.edu ; broknbar@ptsi.net = ; Jpayne@beaver.K12.ok.us ; Maryannpearson@hotmail.com ; = Dprobasco@msb.mat-su.K12.ak.us ; Pshmt@aol.com ; IMNRXERRIB@aol.com ; = Richsa@wolfenet.com ; Alan_Rimer@reddaug.org ; arimer@rdpsd.ab.ca ; = Rocky1@nwinfo.net ; Northwoodpk@webtv.net ; HappyLady001@msn.com ; = Peni47@hotmail.com ; Spaciousbaby@aol.com ; Seattle@caylx.nl ; = bstball@televar.com ; JLS267@stargate.pitt.edu ; Bevstoaks@hotmail.com ; = lstrauss@spokanecounty.org ; Streicha@pngusa.net ; = EStreich@WesternPeterbilt.com ; streicha@pngusa.net ; tees@plix.com ; = JacqueDuane@earthlink.net ; vogelsr@PDX.edu ; Wazzualtman@yahoo.com ; = Wileworks@norlight.org ; attilahun@comcast.net> ; Dwing@harbornet.com ; = KCW@olypen.com ; CharlesW99@aol.com ; WillW@olypen.com ; = waddink@worldonline.NL ; L1654w@telus.net ; Dottydid@Freeland.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 2:07 PM Subject: New Virus With a Clock Message from Mike Altman To All:=20 A virus has been passed on to me by a contact. My address book WAS = infected.=20 Since you are in my address book, there is a good chance you will find = it in your computer too.=20 The virus (called jdbgmgr.exe) is not detected by Norton or McAfee=20 Anti-virus systems. The virus sits quietly for 14 days before damaging = the system. It is sent automatically by messenger and by the address = book, whether or not you sent Emails to your contacts.=20 Here's how to check for the virus and how to get rid of it: YOU MUST = DO THIS=20 1. Go to Start, Find or search option=20 2. In the file'folder option, type the name jdbgmgr.exe=20 3. Be sure you search your C: drive and all sub-folders and any other = drives you may have.=20 4. Click "find now"=20 5. The Virus has a Teddy Bear icon with the name jdbgmgr.exe DO NOT = OPEN IT=20 6. Go to Edit (on menu bar) in the FIND box you are presently in, = choose "select all" to highlight the file without opening it.=20 7. Now go to File (on the menu bar) and select delete. It will then go = to=20 the Recycle Bin.=20 IF YOU FIND THE VIRUS, YOU MUST CONTACT ALL THE PEOPLE IN YOUR=20 ADDRESS BOOK, SO THEY CAN ERADICATE IT IN THEIR OWN ADDRESS BOOKS.=20 To do this:=20 (a) Open a new e-mail message=20 (b) Click the icon of the address book=20 (c) Highlight every name and add to "BCC"=20 (d) Copy this message and paste to e-mail=20 Phyllis Alexander=20 Sisters, Inc.=20 2110 Riverside Drive=20 Norman,OK 73072-6613=20 (405) 447-7138=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00A8_01C2D973.466E5EE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

I usually check this site before doing=20 anything.  It has saved me before.  Thought I'd pass it along = for you=20 to possibly bookmark.

http://vmyths.com/hoax.cfm

Terrie

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 FuchsiaFan@aol.com
To: !0000 ; ROAdams@aol.com ; bvailes@earthlink.net ; Allanbmac@cs.com ;=20 Justbodee@aol.com ; altmca1@ghnw.ghc.org ; DAltman@MD-Network.com ; JaneAltman@sbcglobal.net = ; Altmanp@pacbell.net ; altman@mail.provalue.net = ; Rjavea@aol.com ; AOLTechACM@aol.com ; ballou@mbo.net ; Rbarby@ptsi.net ; BearFlt@aol.com ; Lewis_Beaver@Kongiginak= .LKSD.org.=20 ; Ungawa@IXI.net ; Rnjboyd@aol.com ; ebreiden@hiline.net ; Sandug8206@icehouse.net ; = BCBrown@aol.com ; panoram1@webmail.bmi.net = ; Campbell106@aol.com ; cbaskin@msn.com ; cindej@earthlink.net ; TeaMarie03@yahoo.com ; JudyJudyC@msn.com=20 ; Sierrarat@aol.com ; Crosspeak@aol.com=20 ; TahoeJeni@aol.com ; Dahlhaus@myhome.net ; Bigskye@adelphia.net ; Dgailmac@cs.com ; Eschbach@UofS.edu=20 ; DonaFellows@msn.com ; thecoldone@gci.net ; Will@savvydiner.com ; glass@bungi.com ; grotep@ss-studio.de ; Joanie@savvydiner.com ; sphantgin@dslextreme.com = ; RLHen@aol.com = ; Lherchenson@telus.net ; res1hakh@verizon.net ; Ahimmler@steilacoom.k12.wa.= us=20 ; ArtandNoi@harbornet.com ; = HOULTight@aol.com=20 ; sigkurak@yahoo.com ; info@energyrelease.com ; JernNita@aol.com ;=20 JerryC34@attbi.com ; jlewien@realpeoplebank.com= ; JSuebrian@aol.com=20 ; Russj3@yahoo.com ; barbkampe@MSN.com. ; JLKeltner@techline.com ; gknapp@theofficenet.com ; = knapptime@theofficenet.com= ; Dlawfirst@hotmail.com ; davidlaw.1@netzero.com ; JXLec@uswest.net ;=20 Sewpfun@aol.com ;=20 Mlutes@MSB.mat-su.k12.ak.us ; Manring2@pomeroy-wa.com ; = marcieak@ptialaska.net ; McPherso@cwu.edu ;=20 Susanmelvin50@msn.com ; VJMelvin@supersat2.net ; Hopscotch2@earthlink.net = ; Mamunger@Davidson.edu ; twobarA@televar.com ; soulika@axionet.com ; horsehead@centurytel.net = ; orders@brownmaterials.com = ; Gracky@olypen.com=20 ; Noahpalmer@mail.telepac.pt= ; Jimpark@aya.yale.edu ; broknbar@ptsi.net=20 ; Jpayne@beaver.K12.ok.us ; = Maryannpearson@hotmail.com= ; Dprobasco@msb.mat-su.K12.a= k.us=20 ; Pshmt@aol.com ; IMNRXERRIB@aol.com ; Richsa@wolfenet.com ; Alan_Rimer@reddaug.org ; arimer@rdpsd.ab.ca ; Rocky1@nwinfo.net=20 ; Northwoodpk@webtv.net ; HappyLady001@msn.com ; Peni47@hotmail.com ; Spaciousbaby@aol.com ; Seattle@caylx.nl ;=20 bstball@televar.com ; JLS267@stargate.pitt.edu = ; Bevstoaks@hotmail.com ; lstrauss@spokanecounty.org= ; Streicha@pngusa.net ; EStreich@WesternPeterbilt.c= om=20 ; streicha@pngusa.net ; tees@plix.com = ; JacqueDuane@earthlink.net = ; vogelsr@PDX.edu ; Wazzualtman@yahoo.com ; Wileworks@norlight.org ; "=20 href=3D"mailto:attilahun@comcast.net>">attilahun@comcast.net> ; = Dwing@harbornet.com ; KCW@olypen.com ; CharlesW99@aol.com ; WillW@olypen.com ;=20 waddink@worldonline.NL ; L1654w@telus.net ;=20 Dottydid@Freeland.net
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, = 2003 2:07=20 PM
Subject: New Virus With a = Clock


Message from Mike Altman




To All:

A virus has been = passed on=20 to me by a contact. My address book WAS infected.

Since you = are in my=20 address book, there is a good chance you will find it in your computer = too.=20


The virus (called jdbgmgr.exe) is not detected by Norton = or McAfee=20
Anti-virus systems. The virus sits quietly for 14 days before = damaging the=20 system. It is sent automatically by messenger and by the address = book, =20 whether or not you sent Emails to your contacts.


Here's = how to=20 check for the virus and how to get rid of it: YOU MUST DO THIS =


1.=20 Go to Start, Find or search option

2. In the file'folder = option, type=20 the name jdbgmgr.exe

3. Be sure you search your C: drive and = all=20 sub-folders and any other drives you may have.

4. Click "find = now"=20

5. The Virus has a Teddy Bear icon with the name jdbgmgr.exe = DO NOT=20 OPEN IT

6. Go to Edit (on menu bar) in the FIND box you = are=20 presently in, choose "select all" to highlight the file without = opening it.=20

7. Now go to File (on the menu bar) and select delete. It will = then go=20 to
the Recycle Bin.


IF YOU FIND THE VIRUS, YOU MUST = CONTACT=20 ALL THE PEOPLE IN YOUR

ADDRESS BOOK, SO THEY CAN ERADICATE IT = IN THEIR=20 OWN ADDRESS BOOKS.

To do this:

(a) Open a new e-mail = message=20

(b) Click the icon of the address book

(c) Highlight = every=20 name and add to "BCC"

(d) Copy this message and paste to = e-mail=20


Phyllis Alexander

Sisters, Inc.

2110 = Riverside=20 Drive

Norman,OK 73072-6613

(405) 447-7138=20





------=_NextPart_000_00A8_01C2D973.466E5EE0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 21 06:31:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 06:23:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: primposta.com!j_mbuzo1 From: "mbuzo johnson" To: j_mbuzo1@primposta.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 15:17:12 +0100 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk MR.JOHNSON MBUZO TEL:+27-834754111 E-MAIL-j_mbuzo1@primposta.com SOUTH AFRICA. ATTN: You may be surprise to receive this letter from me since you don't know me personally. I am .JOHNSON MBUZO the son of WILLIAM MBUZO who was recently murdered in the land dispute in Zimbabwe. I got your contact through Network on line in my search for a reliable and reputable person to handle a very confidential transaction which involves a transfer of fund to a foreign account and I decided to write you,my late father was among the few black Zimbabwean rich farmers murdered in cold blood by the agents of the ruling government of president Robert Mugabe. For his alleged support and sympathy for the Zimbabwean opposition party controlled by the white minority.Before his death he had taken to johannesburg - South Africa to deposit the sum of US$ 12.7 Million (Twelve Million Seven Hundred Thousand United States Dollars) with a Security and Finance Company as if he foresaw the looming danger in Zimbabwe. The money was deposited in a box as valuables to avoid much demurrage from the Security Company. This money was embarked from the purchase of new machinery and chemical for farms and the establishment of new farms in Lesotho and Swaziland.This land problem arose when President Robert Mugabe introduced a new land act that wholly affected the rich white farmers and some few blacks vehemently condemned the "modus operandi" adopted by the government. This resulted to rampant killing and mob action by the war veterans and some political thugs. precisely, More than thirty-one (31) people have so far been killed.Heads of governments from the west, especially Britain and United States of America have voiced their condemnation of Mugabe'splan. Subsequently, South African Development Community(S.A.D.C) has continously supported Mugabe's new land act, it is against this background that I and my family who are currently residing in South Africa have decided to transfer my Father's money into a foreign account. As the eldest son of my Father, I am saddled with the responsibility of seeking a genuine foreign account where this money could be transferred without the knowledge of my government who are tactically freezing our family wealth and South Africa's government seems to be playing along with them. I am faced with the dilemma of investing this money in South Africa for fear of encountering the same experience in future since both countries have almost the same political history. More so, the South African Foreign Exchange policy does not allow such investment hence I am seeking for an "asylum". As a business person whom I entrusted my future and that of my family into his hands, I must let you know that this transaction is 100% risk free and the nature of your business does not necessarily matter.For your assistance,we are offering you 20% of the total sum,75% for me and my family while 5% will be mapped out for any expenses we may incure during this transaction.We wish to invest our money on commercial property based on your advice. Finally,I will demand for assurance that you will not sit on this money when it finally gets to your personal or company's accoun t in your country. If this proposal is acceptable by you, please confirm your interest via this email address johnsonmbuzo@hotmail.com or my phone number-27-83-4754111 or you reply through email. Best Regards, Johnson Mbuzo ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 21 07:47:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 07:18:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: comcast.net!cecnralph From: Cecily & Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: New Virus (NG) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 10:14:42 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@comcast.net> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@provalue.net>> Organization: Grendel Studio Precedence: bulk ALWAYS double check to see whether a so-called virus is real or a hoax. Most of the hoaxes simply scare people and clog the internet with urgent message from the gullible to more gullibles, but some of them are actively nasty - convincing you to delete a vital system file and bollixing up your hard drive alla by yourself, if you are not a techie! Remember, Windows people will GET that new virus long before you ever get that "Important-Inportant-If-I-can-save-just-one-person-...-Microsoft-says..." Chicken Little idiocy, even if it were legitimate. Chances are good you will get the virus before the general public is notified at all. Get a good virus protector, let it check it's web site weekly, let it download what it wants to, and INSTALL THOSE UPDATES IMMEDIATELY. Those of you running Windows are absolutely guaranteed to get a virus, many viruses. A virus protector which is up-to-date is a whale of a lot more protection than duct tape and plastic sheeting! Also, make certain, no matter what operating system you run, that when an incremental update (costing little or nothing) or a security update, patch, etc. comes out, download it and INSTALL IT. (Maybe wait a week so the web site isn't clogged, and keep an eye on things so you know whether there are problems with the upgrade before you do it.) - Cec Terrie Altman altman-at-provalue.net |Bungier/1.0-Allow| wrote: > > > I usually check this site before doing anything. It has saved me > before. Thought I'd pass it along for you to possibly bookmark. > > http://vmyths.com/hoax.cfm > > Terrie > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* FuchsiaFan@aol.com > *To:* !0000 ; ROAdams@aol.com > ; bvailes@earthlink.net > ; Allanbmac@cs.com > ; Justbodee@aol.com > ; altmca1@ghnw.ghc.org > ; DAltman@MD-Network.com > ; JaneAltman@sbcglobal.net > ; Altmanp@pacbell.net > ; altman@mail.provalue.net > ; Rjavea@aol.com > ; AOLTechACM@aol.com > ; ballou@mbo.net > ; Rbarby@ptsi.net > ; BearFlt@aol.com ; > Lewis_Beaver@Kongiginak.LKSD.org. > ; Ungawa@IXI.net > ; Rnjboyd@aol.com > ; ebreiden@hiline.net ; > Sandug8206@icehouse.net ; > BCBrown@aol.com ; > panoram1@webmail.bmi.net ; > Campbell106@aol.com ; cbaskin@msn.com > ; cindej@earthlink.net > ; TeaMarie03@yahoo.com > ; JudyJudyC@msn.com > ; Sierrarat@aol.com > ; Crosspeak@aol.com > ; TahoeJeni@aol.com > ; Dahlhaus@myhome.net > ; Bigskye@adelphia.net > ; Dgailmac@cs.com > ; Eschbach@UofS.edu > ; DonaFellows@msn.com > ; thecoldone@gci.net > ; Will@savvydiner.com > ; glass@bungi.com > ; grotep@ss-studio.de > ; Joanie@savvydiner.com > ; sphantgin@dslextreme.com > ; RLHen@aol.com > ; Lherchenson@telus.net > ; res1hakh@verizon.net > ; Ahimmler@steilacoom.k12.wa.us > ; ArtandNoi@harbornet.com > ; HOULTight@aol.com > ; sigkurak@yahoo.com > ; info@energyrelease.com > ; JernNita@aol.com > ; JerryC34@attbi.com > ; jlewien@realpeoplebank.com > ; JSuebrian@aol.com > ; Russj3@yahoo.com > ; barbkampe@MSN.com. > ; JLKeltner@techline.com > ; gknapp@theofficenet.com > ; knapptime@theofficenet.com > ; Dlawfirst@hotmail.com > ; davidlaw.1@netzero.com > ; JXLec@uswest.net > ; Sewpfun@aol.com > ; Mlutes@MSB.mat-su.k12.ak.us > ; Manring2@pomeroy-wa.com > ; marcieak@ptialaska.net > ; McPherso@cwu.edu > ; Susanmelvin50@msn.com > ; VJMelvin@supersat2.net > ; Hopscotch2@earthlink.net > ; Mamunger@Davidson.edu > ; twobarA@televar.com > ; soulika@axionet.com > ; horsehead@centurytel.net > ; orders@brownmaterials.com > ; Gracky@olypen.com > ; Noahpalmer@mail.telepac.pt > ; Jimpark@aya.yale.edu > ; broknbar@ptsi.net > ; Jpayne@beaver.K12.ok.us > ; Maryannpearson@hotmail.com > ; > Dprobasco@msb.mat-su.K12.ak.us > ; Pshmt@aol.com > ; IMNRXERRIB@aol.com > ; Richsa@wolfenet.com > ; Alan_Rimer@reddaug.org > ; arimer@rdpsd.ab.ca > ; Rocky1@nwinfo.net > ; Northwoodpk@webtv.net > ; HappyLady001@msn.com > ; Peni47@hotmail.com > ; Spaciousbaby@aol.com > ; Seattle@caylx.nl > ; bstball@televar.com > ; JLS267@stargate.pitt.edu > ; Bevstoaks@hotmail.com > ; lstrauss@spokanecounty.org > ; Streicha@pngusa.net > ; EStreich@WesternPeterbilt.com > ; streicha@pngusa.net > ; tees@plix.com > ; JacqueDuane@earthlink.net > ; vogelsr@PDX.edu > ; Wazzualtman@yahoo.com > ; Wileworks@norlight.org > ; attilahun@comcast.net> > ; Dwing@harbornet.com > ; KCW@olypen.com > ; CharlesW99@aol.com > ; WillW@olypen.com > ; waddink@worldonline.NL > ; L1654w@telus.net > ; Dottydid@Freeland.net > > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 18, 2003 2:07 PM > *Subject:* New Virus With a Clock > > > Message from Mike Altman > > > > > To All: > > A virus has been passed on to me by a contact. My address book WAS > infected. > > Since you are in my address book, there is a good chance you will > find it in your computer too. > > > The virus (called jdbgmgr.exe) is not detected by Norton or McAfee > Anti-virus systems. The virus sits quietly for 14 days before > damaging the system. It is sent automatically by messenger and by > the address book, whether or not you sent Emails to your contacts. > > > Here's how to check for the virus and how to get rid of it: YOU > MUST DO THIS > > > 1. Go to Start, Find or search option > > 2. In the file'folder option, type the name jdbgmgr.exe > > 3. Be sure you search your C: drive and all sub-folders and any > other drives you may have. > > 4. Click "find now" > > 5. The Virus has a Teddy Bear icon with the name jdbgmgr.exe *DO > NOT OPEN IT * > > 6. Go to Edit (on menu bar) in the FIND box you are presently in, > choose "select all" to highlight the file without opening it. > > 7. Now go to File (on the menu bar) and select delete. It will > then go to > the Recycle Bin. > > > IF YOU FIND THE VIRUS, YOU MUST CONTACT ALL THE PEOPLE IN YOUR > > ADDRESS BOOK, SO THEY CAN ERADICATE IT IN THEIR OWN ADDRESS BOOKS. > > To do this: > > (a) Open a new e-mail message > > (b) Click the icon of the address book > > (c) Highlight every name and add to "BCC" > > (d) Copy this message and paste to e-mail > > > Phyllis Alexander > > Sisters, Inc. > > 2110 Riverside Drive > > Norman,OK 73072-6613 > > (405) 447-7138 > > > > > -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 21 20:19:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 19:47:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: sympatico.ca!ron.amero From: "Ron Amero" To: "Cecily & Ralph Wood" , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: New Virus (NG) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 22:43:15 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@sympatico.ca> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@comcast.net>> Precedence: bulk Exactly ... get a good antivirus program and keep the virus signatures up to date and you won't have to worry about these stupid messages! Norton seems to update their files about 2-3 times a week. Don't know about the others. If the virus signatures are more than a week old, you're inviting trouble.... And by the way, there are good FREE antivirus programs available; so there is NO excuse. Enough said, R -----Original Message----- From: Cecily & Ralph Wood [mailto:cecnralph@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 10:15 AM To: Bungi Glass Subject: Re: New Virus (NG) ALWAYS double check to see whether a so-called virus is real or a hoax. Most of the hoaxes simply scare people and clog the internet with urgent message from the gullible to more gullibles, but some of them are actively nasty - convincing you to delete a vital system file and bollixing up your hard drive alla by yourself, if you are not a techie! Remember, Windows people will GET that new virus long before you ever get that "Important-Inportant-If-I-can-save-just-one-person-...-Microsoft-says..." Chicken Little idiocy, even if it were legitimate. Chances are good you will get the virus before the general public is notified at all. Get a good virus protector, let it check it's web site weekly, let it download what it wants to, and INSTALL THOSE UPDATES IMMEDIATELY. Those of you running Windows are absolutely guaranteed to get a virus, many viruses. A virus protector which is up-to-date is a whale of a lot more protection than duct tape and plastic sheeting! Also, make certain, no matter what operating system you run, that when an incremental update (costing little or nothing) or a security update, patch, etc. comes out, download it and INSTALL IT. (Maybe wait a week so the web site isn't clogged, and keep an eye on things so you know whether there are problems with the upgrade before you do it.) - Cec Terrie Altman altman-at-provalue.net |Bungier/1.0-Allow| wrote: > > > I usually check this site before doing anything. It has saved me > before. Thought I'd pass it along for you to possibly bookmark. > > http://vmyths.com/hoax.cfm > > Terrie > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* FuchsiaFan@aol.com > *To:* !0000 ; ROAdams@aol.com > ; bvailes@earthlink.net > ; Allanbmac@cs.com > ; Justbodee@aol.com > ; altmca1@ghnw.ghc.org > ; DAltman@MD-Network.com > ; JaneAltman@sbcglobal.net > ; Altmanp@pacbell.net > ; altman@mail.provalue.net > ; Rjavea@aol.com > ; AOLTechACM@aol.com > ; ballou@mbo.net > ; Rbarby@ptsi.net > ; BearFlt@aol.com ; > Lewis_Beaver@Kongiginak.LKSD.org. > ; Ungawa@IXI.net > ; Rnjboyd@aol.com > ; ebreiden@hiline.net ; > Sandug8206@icehouse.net ; > BCBrown@aol.com ; > panoram1@webmail.bmi.net ; > Campbell106@aol.com ; cbaskin@msn.com > ; cindej@earthlink.net > ; TeaMarie03@yahoo.com > ; JudyJudyC@msn.com > ; Sierrarat@aol.com > ; Crosspeak@aol.com > ; TahoeJeni@aol.com > ; Dahlhaus@myhome.net > ; Bigskye@adelphia.net > ; Dgailmac@cs.com > ; Eschbach@UofS.edu > ; DonaFellows@msn.com > ; thecoldone@gci.net > ; Will@savvydiner.com > ; glass@bungi.com > ; grotep@ss-studio.de > ; Joanie@savvydiner.com > ; sphantgin@dslextreme.com > ; RLHen@aol.com > ; Lherchenson@telus.net > ; res1hakh@verizon.net > ; Ahimmler@steilacoom.k12.wa.us > ; ArtandNoi@harbornet.com > ; HOULTight@aol.com > ; sigkurak@yahoo.com > ; info@energyrelease.com > ; JernNita@aol.com > ; JerryC34@attbi.com > ; jlewien@realpeoplebank.com > ; JSuebrian@aol.com > ; Russj3@yahoo.com > ; barbkampe@MSN.com. > ; JLKeltner@techline.com > ; gknapp@theofficenet.com > ; knapptime@theofficenet.com > ; Dlawfirst@hotmail.com > ; davidlaw.1@netzero.com > ; JXLec@uswest.net > ; Sewpfun@aol.com > ; Mlutes@MSB.mat-su.k12.ak.us > ; Manring2@pomeroy-wa.com > ; marcieak@ptialaska.net > ; McPherso@cwu.edu > ; Susanmelvin50@msn.com > ; VJMelvin@supersat2.net > ; Hopscotch2@earthlink.net > ; Mamunger@Davidson.edu > ; twobarA@televar.com > ; soulika@axionet.com > ; horsehead@centurytel.net > ; orders@brownmaterials.com > ; Gracky@olypen.com > ; Noahpalmer@mail.telepac.pt > ; Jimpark@aya.yale.edu > ; broknbar@ptsi.net > ; Jpayne@beaver.K12.ok.us > ; Maryannpearson@hotmail.com > ; > Dprobasco@msb.mat-su.K12.ak.us > ; Pshmt@aol.com > ; IMNRXERRIB@aol.com > ; Richsa@wolfenet.com > ; Alan_Rimer@reddaug.org > ; arimer@rdpsd.ab.ca > ; Rocky1@nwinfo.net > ; Northwoodpk@webtv.net > ; HappyLady001@msn.com > ; Peni47@hotmail.com > ; Spaciousbaby@aol.com > ; Seattle@caylx.nl > ; bstball@televar.com > ; JLS267@stargate.pitt.edu > ; Bevstoaks@hotmail.com > ; lstrauss@spokanecounty.org > ; Streicha@pngusa.net > ; EStreich@WesternPeterbilt.com > ; streicha@pngusa.net > ; tees@plix.com > ; JacqueDuane@earthlink.net > ; vogelsr@PDX.edu > ; Wazzualtman@yahoo.com > ; Wileworks@norlight.org > ; attilahun@comcast.net> > ; Dwing@harbornet.com > ; KCW@olypen.com > ; CharlesW99@aol.com > ; WillW@olypen.com > ; waddink@worldonline.NL > ; L1654w@telus.net > ; Dottydid@Freeland.net > > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 18, 2003 2:07 PM > *Subject:* New Virus With a Clock > > > Message from Mike Altman > > > > > To All: > > A virus has been passed on to me by a contact. My address book WAS > infected. > > Since you are in my address book, there is a good chance you will > find it in your computer too. > > > The virus (called jdbgmgr.exe) is not detected by Norton or McAfee > Anti-virus systems. The virus sits quietly for 14 days before > damaging the system. It is sent automatically by messenger and by > the address book, whether or not you sent Emails to your contacts. > > > Here's how to check for the virus and how to get rid of it: YOU > MUST DO THIS > > > 1. Go to Start, Find or search option > > 2. In the file'folder option, type the name jdbgmgr.exe > > 3. Be sure you search your C: drive and all sub-folders and any > other drives you may have. > > 4. Click "find now" > > 5. The Virus has a Teddy Bear icon with the name jdbgmgr.exe *DO > NOT OPEN IT * > > 6. Go to Edit (on menu bar) in the FIND box you are presently in, > choose "select all" to highlight the file without opening it. > > 7. Now go to File (on the menu bar) and select delete. It will > then go to > the Recycle Bin. > > > IF YOU FIND THE VIRUS, YOU MUST CONTACT ALL THE PEOPLE IN YOUR > > ADDRESS BOOK, SO THEY CAN ERADICATE IT IN THEIR OWN ADDRESS BOOKS. > > To do this: > > (a) Open a new e-mail message > > (b) Click the icon of the address book > > (c) Highlight every name and add to "BCC" > > (d) Copy this message and paste to e-mail > > > Phyllis Alexander > > Sisters, Inc. > > 2110 Riverside Drive > > Norman,OK 73072-6613 > > (405) 447-7138 > > > > > -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 22 05:46:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 05:19:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: s-cars.org!robert From: Robert Myers To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_53987875==.ALT" Subject: RE: New Virus (NG) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 08:10:31 -0500 Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030222075954.022fce88@mail.charter.net> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@comcast.net>> Precedence: bulk --=====================_53987875==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Yes there some quite good AV programs available. I highly recommend AVG available from http://www.grisoft.com as a free download with regular free regular downloadable updates. All are free for private use and it works. AVG has saved my a** a number of times and has done it all automatically without any action from me. I have used it for several years now and have not once had a problem with a virus despite having received at least two to three dozen in the mail during that time. AVG simply handled things unobtrusively in the background. I get a notice of the status of each piece of mail which I can check before opening any attachments. See a typical one at the bottom of this post. Then go to the link above and download AVVG and install it and quit worrying. Disclaimer: I have no financial connection or any other connection with Grisoft other than as a satisfied freeloader "customer". At 10:43 PM 2/21/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Exactly ... get a good antivirus program and keep the virus signatures up to >date and you won't have to worry about these stupid messages! Norton seems >to update their files about 2-3 times a week. Don't know about the others. >If the virus signatures are more than a week old, you're inviting >trouble.... And by the way, there are good FREE antivirus programs >available; so there is NO excuse. > >Enough said, >R > >-----Original Message----- >From: Cecily & Ralph Wood [mailto:cecnralph@comcast.net] >Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 10:15 AM >To: Bungi Glass >Subject: Re: New Virus (NG) > >ALWAYS double check to see whether a so-called virus is real or a hoax. > Most of the hoaxes simply scare people and clog the internet with >urgent message from the gullible to more gullibles, but some of them are >actively nasty - convincing you to delete a vital system file and >bollixing up your hard drive alla by yourself, if you are not a techie! > >Remember, Windows people will GET that new virus long before you ever >get that >"Important-Inportant-If-I-can-save-just-one-person-...-Microsoft-says..." >Chicken Little idiocy, even if it were legitimate. Chances are good you >will get the virus before the general public is notified at all. > >Get a good virus protector, let it check it's web site weekly, let it >download what it wants to, and INSTALL THOSE UPDATES IMMEDIATELY. Those >of you running Windows are absolutely guaranteed to get a virus, many >viruses. A virus protector which is up-to-date is a whale of a lot more >protection than duct tape and plastic sheeting! > >Also, make certain, no matter what operating system you run, that when >an incremental update (costing little or nothing) or a security update, >patch, etc. comes out, download it and INSTALL IT. (Maybe wait a week >so the web site isn't clogged, and keep an eye on things so you know >whether there are problems with the upgrade before you do it.) - Cec > >Terrie Altman altman-at-provalue.net |Bungier/1.0-Allow| wrote: > > > > > > > I usually check this site before doing anything. It has saved me > > before. Thought I'd pass it along for you to possibly bookmark. > > > > http://vmyths.com/hoax.cfm > > ---snip--- >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.456 / Virus Database: 256 - Release Date: 2/18/2003 _____ One nation, under surveillance. :-( Bob ***** Robert L. Myers 304-574-2372 Rt. 4, Box 57, Fayetteville, WV 25840 USA WV tag Q SHIP '95 urS6 Cashmere Grey - der Wunderwagen ICQ 22170244 http://www.cob-net.org/church/pvcob.htm ***** --=====================_53987875==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
Yes there some quite good AV programs available.  I highly recommend AVG available from http://www.grisoft.com as a free download with regular free regular downloadable updates.  All are free for private use and it works.  AVG has saved my a**  a number of times and has done it all automatically without any action from me.  I have used it for several years now and have not once had a problem with a virus despite having received at least two to three dozen in the mail during that time.  AVG simply handled things unobtrusively in the background.  I get a notice of the status of each piece of mail which I can check before opening any attachments.  See a typical one at the bottom of this post.  Then go to the link above and download AVVG and install it and quit worrying.

Disclaimer:  I have no financial connection or any other connection with Grisoft other than as a satisfied freeloader "customer".

At 10:43 PM 2/21/2003 -0500, you wrote:

Exactly ... get a good antivirus program and keep the virus signatures up to
date and you won't have to worry about these stupid messages!  Norton seems
to update their files about 2-3 times a week.  Don't know about the others.
If the virus signatures are more than a week old, you're inviting
trouble.... And by the way, there are good FREE antivirus programs
available; so there is NO excuse.

Enough said,
R

-----Original Message-----
From: Cecily & Ralph Wood [mailto:cecnralph@comcast.net]
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 10:15 AM
To: Bungi Glass
Subject: Re: New Virus (NG)

ALWAYS double check to see whether a so-called virus is real or a hoax.
 Most of the hoaxes simply scare people and clog the internet with
urgent message from the gullible to more gullibles, but some of them are
actively nasty - convincing you to delete a vital system file and
bollixing up your hard drive alla by yourself, if you are not a techie!

Remember, Windows people will GET that new virus long before you ever
get that
"Important-Inportant-If-I-can-save-just-one-person-...-Microsoft-says..."
Chicken Little idiocy, even if it were legitimate.  Chances are good you
will get the virus before the general public is notified at all.

Get a good virus protector, let it check it's web site weekly, let it
download what it wants to, and INSTALL THOSE UPDATES IMMEDIATELY.  Those
of you running Windows are absolutely guaranteed to get a virus, many
viruses. A virus protector which is up-to-date is a whale of a lot more
protection than duct tape and plastic sheeting!

Also, make certain, no matter what operating system you run, that when
an incremental update (costing little or nothing) or a security update,
patch, etc. comes out, download it and INSTALL IT.  (Maybe wait a week
so the web site isn't clogged, and keep an eye on things so you know
whether there are problems with the upgrade before you do it.)  - Cec

Terrie Altman altman-at-provalue.net |Bungier/1.0-Allow| wrote:

>
>
> I usually check this site before doing anything.  It has saved me
> before.  Thought I'd pass it along for you to possibly bookmark.
>
> http://vmyths.com/hoax.cfm
>

---snip---


---
Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.456 / Virus Database: 256 - Release Date: 2/18/2003

_____

One nation, under surveillance. :-(


Bob
*****
 Robert L. Myers 304-574-2372 
 Rt. 4, Box 57, Fayetteville, WV 25840 USA WV tag Q SHIP      
 '95 urS6 Cashmere Grey - der Wunderwagen ICQ 22170244       
 http://www.cob-net.org/church/pvcob.htm
*****
--=====================_53987875==.ALT-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 24 18:35:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 18:13:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: ibmmail.com!response From: response@ibmmail.com To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Non-delivery notification Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 19:17:57 EST Message-ID: <3.20030224.19.17.57.566139@ibmmail.com> Precedence: bulk Your mail item could not be delivered to the address: GBDLBNP1@IBMMAIL.COM The following is an alias for this address: gbdlbnp1@ibmmail.com The recipient system could not receive your mail. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 24 18:50:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 18:14:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: ibmmail.com!response From: response@ibmmail.com To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Non-delivery notification Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 19:17:57 EST Message-ID: <3.20030224.19.17.57.958155@ibmmail.com> Precedence: bulk Your mail item could not be delivered to the address: GBDLBIRP@IBMMAIL.COM The following is an alias for this address: gbdlbirp@ibmmail.com The recipient system could not receive your mail. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 24 20:39:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 20:33:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: comcast.net!cecnralph From: Cecily & Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: full spectrum lighting Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 23:28:12 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@comcast.net> Organization: Grendel Studio Precedence: bulk Awhile back there was some discussion of full spectrum lighting and how helpful/nice it was. I just ran across a site (for fabric) which has several brands, and solid info about them. Chromolux http://www.blanksfab.com/fullspec/chrome.htm Lumachrome http://www.blanksfab.com/fullspec/lumi.htm and click on types link for spectrum hth - Cec -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 25 03:17:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 03:13:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: attbi.com!jerryc34 From: Jerry To: Cecily & Ralph Wood , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: full spectrum lighting Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 06:04:22 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@attbi.com> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@comcast.net>> Precedence: bulk I absolutely LOVE Chromolux bulbs. I had them in my tattoo studio, I used them while oil painting, use them for any craft projects. Unfortunately, I have fluorescent tubes where I work on stained glass. I need to get a couple goose neck lamps to put them near my work bench. NOTHING LIKE THEM! I think they are crucial for accurate colour work. Also, another great thing about them is if you suffer from seasonal depression, they help with that as well. Only thing I'm not ken on with full spectrum bulbs is they get very hot. In the winter, it's nice if you're chilly, in the summer, they are not fun. They seem to last a lot longer than regular bulbs too. Jerry -- http://homepage.mac.com/jerry02149 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 25 12:53:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 12:32:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: gbronline.com!horizon From: "Ray Olech" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: lead finishing Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 14:29:39 -0600 Message-ID: <200302251429.AA391184656@mail2.gbronline.com> Precedence: bulk other than standard carnuba wax glaze, can you offer what technique(s) used to achieve that "professional" luster of leaded panels. thank you. ray horizon@grbonline.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 25 14:56:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 14:37:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Subject: bungi:lead finishing Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:33:22 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@compuserve.com> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Ray Olech" >other than standard carnuba wax glaze, can you offer what technique(s) used to achieve that "professional" luster of leaded panels.< We do not use wax on lead panels. We use the putty, whiting, clean rags,= and elbow grease to achieve that "professional" luster. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles Denton, TX ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 25 16:01:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 15:32:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: aol.com!FuchsiaFan From: FuchsiaFan@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_16.2d32956c.2b8d55fc_boundary" Subject: full spectrum lighting Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 18:27:56 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com> Precedence: bulk --part1_16.2d32956c.2b8d55fc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please excuse me if this is a little off the subject of full spectrum lighting... My light table has four full spectrum tubes. They emit light comparable to sunlight. In addition, I have six single ceramic sockets, three on each side, equally spaced with mini flood lamps for incandescent quality light. The incandescent lights are on a dimmer and the florescent tubes are on a light switch. This allows me to see what the glass looks like under all conditions. I hope this is not too far out in left field within the subject of full spectrum lighting. By doing this you are checking the glass under both probable display conditions. (Thanks to Cec for suggesting the last sentence) Mike in Spokane --part1_16.2d32956c.2b8d55fc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable



Please excuse me if this is a little off the subject of full spectrum lighti= ng...

My light table has four full spectrum tubes. They emit light comparable to s= unlight.
In addition, I have six single ceramic sockets, three on each side, equally=20= spaced with mini flood lamps for incandescent quality light.

The incandescent lights are on a dimmer and the florescent tubes are on a li= ght switch. This allows me to see what the glass looks like under all condit= ions.

I hope this is not too far out in left field within the subject of full spec= trum lighting. By doing this you are checking the glass under both probable=20= display conditions. (Thanks to  Cec for suggesting the last sentence)
Mike in Spokane
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