wizard1@magicnet.net ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01BF549C.A79BCC20-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 2 14:35:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Jan 2000 14:15:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #17 built 2000-Jan-2) X-Path: ltdarkpoet.junglelink.co.uk!charliehodge From: "charlie" To: Subject: re,re uk artists Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 22:10:58 -0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk thanks for your reply Toby. a little background then. i've been involved in stained glass for 8 years, mostly as a hobby, but now feel its time to try and make it pay. so this year its find a studio and more outlets for my work. i tend to like mythical subjects, country scenes, kalidascopes and celtic patterns. also i enjoy leadwork and traditional styles. i teach (only as a stand in tutor) stained glass at a community workshop in Norwich. all the best charlie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 2 14:57:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Jan 2000 14:16:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #17 built 2000-Jan-2) X-Path: ltdarkpoet.junglelink.co.uk!charliehodge From: "charlie" To: Subject: more help please. Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 21:46:23 -0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk thanks for your help, now the next one. 63/37 solder for decorative work . anyone know of a uk supplier other than tempsford. cheers charlie. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 2 16:39:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Jan 2000 16:03:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #17 built 2000-Jan-2) X-Path: webtv.net!alipearson From: alipearson@webtv.net (alipea) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Subject: Making large suncatcher with assorted scraps Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 19:02:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk My sister ordered this last night? She wants some sort of design in the middle & then assorted scraps filling a frame somewhere around 1' x1' or larger. Has anyone made one of these & is there a name for it? How much would you charge? It sounds like more work than a pattern to me? What do you think? Thanks in advance, Ali ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 2 17:02:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Jan 2000 16:12:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #17 built 2000-Jan-2) X-Path: magicnet.net!topcat From: "Catherine Williams" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: glass creations Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 18:54:02 -0500 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Hi! Another stained glass enthusiast referred me to you for stained glass info. Is this a newsletter? What info is available? Thanks, GlassCat ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 2 17:11:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Jan 2000 16:21:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #17 built 2000-Jan-2) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: more help please. Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 00:17:38 +0000 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000103001738.007ac430@mailhost.stainedglass.co.uk> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk At 21:46 02/01/00 -0000, you wrote: >thanks for your help, now the next one. 63/37 solder for decorative work . >anyone know of a uk supplier other than tempsford. >cheers charlie. > How much are you looking for? I think we have 5 kilos or so in stock but I am typing from home and we wont be open till Tuesday. Give me a call after 10 am Tues onwards and I can give you a price if you are interested - but postage will bump the price up considerably. Regards EliZabeth in Bournemouth 01202 514734 Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 2 22:20:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Jan 2000 21:30:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #17 built 2000-Jan-2) X-Path: aol.com!Rbytl From: Rbytl@aol.com To: topcat@magicnet.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: glass creations Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 00:28:16 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hello, and Welcome, Bungi is a newsgroup (and much more), on which those interested in the glass arts share skills, information, resources, hopes, fears, triumphs, and sometimes frustrations, in pursuit of the art or craft (or both). I personally have benefited from it exponentially. One can participate in the various threads, or not, as you choose, but rarely, will you come away from reading group discussion, without learning something. Although I've yet to find the time to do so, you can also access a wealth of archival information. Like any group of individuals, we have those who are in need of a more positive attitude, but generally, all are well meaning. Richard Callahan Stained Glass Las Vegas, NV ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 3 11:20:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 11:06:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #18 built 2000-Jan-3) X-Path: ns.sympatico.ca!heinze.g From: heinze.g@ns.sympatico.ca (Gail HeinzeMiline) To: Glass List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Temporary adhesive for glass easle work Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 15:07:01 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: Glass with Class Precedence: bulk I would like to know what is the best adhesive to use when building a panel on a glass easle in front of a window. I have tried two-sided tape, but it was a nuisance and didn't hold very well. Thanks! Gail in Nova Scotia ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 3 12:36:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 12:27:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #18 built 2000-Jan-3) X-Path: ns.sympatico.ca!heinze.g From: heinze.g@ns.sympatico.ca (Gail HeinzeMiline) To: Glass List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Frame Suggestions needed Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 15:12:36 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: Glass with Class Precedence: bulk What do you suggest for framing a copper foil panel approximately 2' by 3' that will be going in front of an existing window in a bathroom? What is the best way to deal with the condensation problem that will inevitably show up between the two windows? Thanks again! Gail in Nova Scotia ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 3 12:50:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 12:29:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #18 built 2000-Jan-3) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "\"Bungi" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Temporary adhesive for glass easle work Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 12:20:53 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk The classic method of temporally holding glass on an easel is to use beeswax. Make 1/4" balls, warm a bit and use two or three compressed between the two pieces of glass. Bob in 92026 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 3 13:51:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 13:35:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #18 built 2000-Jan-3) X-Path: mail.com!mbwalker From: Brad Walker To: heinze.g@ns.sympatico.ca (Gail HeinzeMiline), Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: Temporary adhesive for glass easle work Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 16:33:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Gail, I'm not sure what it's called in Canada, but in the UK there's a substance called Blue-tac that ought to work. In the US it's called Glue-Tac. You should be able to find it in any store that carries office supplies -- it's made for sticking posters, etc. to the wall without messing up the wall. Brad ------Original Message------ From: heinze.g@ns.sympatico.ca (Gail HeinzeMiline) To: Glass List Sent: January 3, 2000 7:07:01 PM GMT Subject: Temporary adhesive for glass easle work I would like to know what is the best adhesive to use when building a panel on a glass easle in front of a window. I have tried two-sided tape, but it was a nuisance and didn't hold very well. Thanks! Gail in Nova Scotia ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com?sr=mc.mk.mcm.tag001 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 3 14:34:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 14:26:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #18 built 2000-Jan-3) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Gail HeinzeMiline Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Temporary adhesive for glass easle work Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 17:25:52 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Gail HeinzeMiline >I would like to know what is the best adhesive to use when building a panel on a glass easle in front of a window. I have tried two-sided tape, but it was a nuisance and didn't hold very well. Thanks! < Building the panel??? You mean painting or checking color... a temporary situation.... right? In that situation we use a combination of rosin and beeswax. We also use a North-facing window so have little trouble with the sun melting the wax and the glass dropping off. After cutting all the glass, painting/checking on the light easel, all the pieces of glass are tapped off and then built on the pattern as per usual. Best regards in the new year! Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 3 15:04:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 14:49:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #18 built 2000-Jan-3) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: US Source of tallow - flux for lead came work Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 22:43:04 +0000 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000103224304.007abbd0@mailhost.stainedglass.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hello all - I am forwarding this info from a non-bunginian who asked me to pass it on to anyone looking to get hold of tallow sticks for lead work. We use nothing else on our lead windows! Regards EliZabeth in Bournemouth (the other UK one!) =================================== From: "Victor Rothman" To: Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 17:26:46 -0500 Hi Elizabeth, I see you are on the Bungi line. There was a lot of interest in Talo flux. I have been using it for over 15 years. It can be purchased at L.B. Allen Corp., 725 North Central Ave., Wood Dale Il. 60191, USA. Phone 708-595-6646. They call it "soldering stick" item # B-601. It cost about $1.75 USD. Since I do not belong to Bungi, I can not post this info myself, so I thought that you might what to. Vic Rothman ========== Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 3 16:09:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 15:53:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #18 built 2000-Jan-3) X-Path: ply.adelphia.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Undersea colors needed-- Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 18:19:27 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Anyone have a suggestion on what type/color glass to use on this project? Three colors will do for a start-- on an underwater scene of sand, sea, and a roving red lobster. I know that lobsters don't turn red until they're cooked--but no one wants a black, green, blue or yellow lobster---I know, I've made plenty of neon lobsters in these colors---and the folks just don't like 'em! Best wishes, Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 3 16:36:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 16:25:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #18 built 2000-Jan-3) X-Path: clientes.euskaltel.es!elere From: "Elena Rodr�guez" To: Gail HeinzeMiline , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: Temporary adhesive for glass easle work Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 01:25:43 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Gail I have sometimes used plasticine, kid's modeling clay, to hold glass pieces on to mold. Elena in Spain Gail HeinzeMiline escribi�: > I would like to know what is the best adhesive to use when building a > panel on a glass easle in front of a window. I have tried two-sided > tape, but it was a nuisance and didn't hold very well. Thanks! > > Gail in Nova Scotia > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 3 19:37:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 19:18:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #18 built 2000-Jan-3) X-Path: aol.com!Kauriee From: Kauriee@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: cutting larger HF (flat) lead Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 22:16:26 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Can anyone give me some advice on how to cut the larger size HF lead without mashing the channels together or mangling it totally? I have tried using a weighted lead knife (new and sharp) working it from side to side...my channel still gets crushed. My only experience is with the HR profile leads that don't crush as easily and can be cut with lead nippers. Please help! Kauriee ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 3 20:39:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 20:28:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #18 built 2000-Jan-3) X-Path: aol.com!Kauriee From: Kauriee@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: cutting lead Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 23:27:39 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Can anyone give me some advice on how to cut the larger size HF lead without mashing the channels together or mangling it totally? I have tried using a weighted lead knife (new and sharp) working it from side to side...my channel still gets crushed. My only experience is with the HR profile leads that don't crush as easily and can be cut with lead nippers. Please help! < Boy, this'll be a tough one to put into words! Cut the lead first with nippers... with nippers positioned from channel to channel. Then clean up the slight distortion of the leaves, by snipping each leaf individually with the nippers, not smashing both together. Does that make sense?? Boy, would a picture be worth a thousand words! Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios Thanks Dani for your advice. I ended up trying what you explained (I think), but I thought that I was doing it all wrong!! I thought there has got to be an easier way! Oh, I almost forgot...how does one access the archives? Kauriee ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 3 20:42:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 20:22:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #18 built 2000-Jan-3) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "INTERNET:Kauriee@aol.com" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: cutting larger HF (flat) lead Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 23:18:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:Kauriee@aol.com >Can anyone give me some advice on how to cut the larger size HF lead without = mashing the channels together or mangling it totally? I have tried using= a weighted lead knife (new and sharp) working it from side to side...my channel = still gets crushed. My only experience is with the HR profile leads that= = don't crush as easily and can be cut with lead nippers. Please help! < Boy, this'll be a tough one to put into words! Cut the lead first with nippers... with nippers positioned from channel to channel. Then clean up the slight distortion of the leaves, by snipping each leaf individually with the nippers, not smashing both together. Does that make sense?? Boy, would a picture be worth a thousand words! Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 3 23:11:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 22:38:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #18 built 2000-Jan-3) X-Path: island.net!seaspray From: "synergyglass" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: cutting lead Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 22:41:11 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Also remember that you can ease the leaves apart with a fid if you need to. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, January 03, 2000 8:27 PM Subject: cutting lead > Can anyone give me some advice on how to cut the larger size HF lead > without > mashing the channels together or mangling it totally? I have tried using a > > weighted lead knife (new and sharp) working it from side to side...my > channel > still gets crushed. My only experience is with the HR profile leads that > don't crush as easily and can be cut with lead nippers. Please help! > < > > Boy, this'll be a tough one to put into words! > Cut the lead first with nippers... with nippers > positioned from channel to channel. Then clean > up the slight distortion of the leaves, by snipping > each leaf individually with the nippers, not smashing > both together. Does that make sense?? Boy, > would a picture be worth a thousand words! > > Best regards, > > Dani Greer > Greer Gallery & Studios > > Thanks Dani for your advice. I ended up trying what you explained (I think), > but I thought that I was doing it all wrong!! I thought there has got to be > an easier way! > > Oh, I almost forgot...how does one access the archives? > > Kauriee > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 4 05:41:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 05:23:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #18 built 2000-Jan-3) X-Path: aol.com!MATRONA From: MATRONA@aol.com To: Kauriee@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: cutting lead Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 08:22:28 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 1/3/00 11:40:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, Kauriee@aol.com writes: > Can anyone give me some advice on how to cut the larger size HF lead > without > mashing the channels together or mangling it totally? I have tried using a > > weighted lead knife (new and sharp) working it from side to side...my > channel > still gets crushed. My only experience is with the HR profile leads that > don't crush as easily and can be cut with lead nippers. Please help! > < > > Boy, this'll be a tough one to put into words! > Cut the lead first with nippers... with nippers > positioned from channel to channel. Then clean > up the slight distortion of the leaves, by snipping > each leaf individually with the nippers, not smashing > both together. Does that make sense?? Boy, > would a picture be worth a thousand words! > > Best regards, > > Dani Greer > Greer Gallery & Studios > > Thanks Dani for your advice. I ended up trying what you explained (I think), > > but I thought that I was doing it all wrong!! I thought there has got to be > > an easier way! > > Oh, I almost forgot...how does one access the archives? > YOu know, I've recently been cutting wide lead, which is rather thin flanged. I've had the best luck with cutting it with the knippers across the face of the flange, ( inother words mashing it down on purpose,) and then opening it with my lead knife, which I use after almost every cut anyway. this works pretty well, unless your flange is heavy, then if that's the case use your knife, and be careful to put the cutting strength into the heart only. The sharper your knife, the better this works, and do not assume that just because your knife is new it is sharp Some are not. Anne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 4 06:13:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 05:45:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #18 built 2000-Jan-3) X-Path: mail.com!mbwalker From: Brad Walker To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Warm glass web site Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 08:44:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk For anyone who's interested, I've put together a web site devoted to warm glass techniques like glass fusing and slumping. The site has a lengthy tutorial on basic processes and techniques, as well as information on lots of topics such as materials, health & safety, and troubleshooting. I'd be very much interested in hearing comments from anyone who visits the site. I'm also looking for a web host to host the site. All I need are a decent amount of storage space (not much graphics at present due to space limitations), a low price (free's nice, but don't want to have to have ads), and the ability to use a domain url. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Please send comments to me by clicking on the comment portion of the site or by e-mailing to mbwalker@mail.com The url for the site is: http://pweb.netcom.com/~mbwalker/ Thanks in advance. Brad Walker ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com?sr=mc.mk.mcm.tag001 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 4 07:27:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 07:12:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #18 built 2000-Jan-3) X-Path: corecomm.net!ttarrier From: Tenlee Tarrier To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 08:47:59 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Please remove me from your list. Thank you. Tenlee Tarrier ttarrier@corecomm.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 4 08:13:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 07:50:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #18 built 2000-Jan-3) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Warm glass web site Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 10:38:11 +0000 Message-ID: <200001041540.KAA13748@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > The url for the site is: http://pweb.netcom.com/~mbwalker/ Very nice. The only thing I'd suggest is to make the buttons on the left smaller and arrange it so they could be seen all the time, rather than have them disappear off the top as you scroll down. Other than that, the title of the page I looked at is 3 characters longer than search engine robots prefer ... at the moment, the page I looked at would be listed in a search engine as "Warm Glass: Fusing, Slumping, and Other Kiln Forming Techniq" ... see? the whole title's not there you're not taking advantage of META descriptions and keywords, which would make your site more visible to search engines (and more highly visited as a result) ... what this means is that the page that I looked at (for instance) would have a description consisting of the words it finds on the page: Warm Glass Fusing, Slumping, and Other Kiln Forming Techniques Click here to return to home page. Click here to e-mail your comments. &nb If you add META description and keywords, you'll be much better off because you could control exactly what's said below the page's title as it appears in search engines. As for host space, I do that .. although I'm expensive, since all domains under my jurisdiction are put up on *five servers - New York, Virginia, California, Toronto (Canada), and Amsterdam (The Netherlands). If you're interested, see http://alldesigncom.com Nearly free ($2 month) hosting space is available from, among others, http://faq.web2010.com/index.shtml ... you have to handle all of the details yourself, though, including FTP and all that. Good luck with your site! I think it's a great start! Albert, former Exec. Dir., International Guild of Glass Artists Albert Lewis AllDesignCom.com | Design & Communications __________________________________________ 54 Cherry Street North Adams MA 01247 413 663-7946 Fax: 413 663-7167 http://www.alldesigncom.com/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 4 09:04:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 08:30:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #18 built 2000-Jan-3) X-Path: aol.com!Kauriee From: Kauriee@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Came cutting Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 11:29:49 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks to all of you who responded to my question about cutting larger leads. This message board is wonderful!! You have a question one day...type it into the computer, and 'poof' the next morning there are the answer to your prayers! Thank you Jim for telling me how to access the archives, I am still sort of new to this whole process so be patient with me! Does anyone have any suggestions, comments, etc...regarding the use of the came saws? Do they work well? Which one is recommended? Kauriee ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 4 10:04:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 09:31:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #18 built 2000-Jan-3) X-Path: island.net!seaspray From: "synergyglass" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Came cutting Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 09:35:41 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Kauree Yep, I've experienced that same magic myself...sharing problems at whatever level usually produces a variety of answers and quickly too. I don't have a came saw and haven't bought one for the following reasons: lead came is easy enough to cut with nippers that a saw isn't required. For brass and zinc came I use a dremel tool with cut off wheel, which iis less expensive and has way more uses than a came saw. I currently get only 2-3 commissions a year for brass came, so it's not cost effective. If I lived in an area where brass is more popular I would probably purchase one. So the answer to your question to buy or not buy a came saw is...it depends! And here's a question for the group: could an ordinary wood chop/miter saw be made into a came saw for brasss by using an abrasive blade similar to the Dremel's cut off tool? Is such a blade made? Has anyone tried this? Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2000 8:29 AM Subject: Came cutting > Thanks to all of you who responded to my question about cutting larger leads. > This message board is wonderful!! You have a question one day...type it > into the computer, and 'poof' the next morning there are the answer to your > prayers! > > Thank you Jim for telling me how to access the archives, I am still sort of > new to this whole process so be patient with me! > > Does anyone have any suggestions, comments, etc...regarding the use of the > came saws? Do they work well? Which one is recommended? > > Kauriee > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 4 12:10:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 11:37:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #18 built 2000-Jan-3) X-Path: MAIL.AOC.STATE.KY.US!KitW From: "Walden, Kit" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: Protection during glass grinding Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 13:51:14 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I use a paper grocery bag. I cut half of the front out and sit the grinder inside the bag and I cut a small hole in the back for the cord. This allows any pieces which fling off to stay inside the bag, it protects the walls and me and it couldn't be any cheaper to use and replace. I also have the plastic face shield and I wear goggles, a respirator and I bought a long coat from a hair salon supply company to protect my clothes. I look like a mad scientist and love to see peoples' reactions when I answer the door in this getup. Happy New Year! p.s. tip to save fingers and hands while grinding--I use the accounting/filing tips for fingers and they work GREAT! I bought them at an office supply store and they have little nubs on them which keep the glass from slipping They have paid for themselves in not having to buy bandages and bandaids. Kit Walden Tuilelaith's Stained Glass > -----Original Message----- > From: Witchdoc3@aol.com [SMTP:Witchdoc3@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 1999 3:58 PM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: Protection during glass grinding > > > In a message dated 12/28/99 3:14:51 PM, bobdu@prodigy.net writes: > > >I have a three sided splash shield that goes around the sides and back > >of my grinder. In top of this is a piece of 1/4" plate glass that is 1 X > 2'. > > At home I set up my grinder inside an old aquarium that's been turned on > its > side. At the shop we usually just wear goggles. (As soon as I can afford > it, > I'm going to invest in a pair of proper industrial safety glasses...... > I'm > in need of a new glasses prescription anyway.) > > >Ps: If I wanted to wear a gas mask I would have joined the Army. > > I hate the things too, but after my doctor nearly had a heart attack over > my > slightly elevated blood lead level a couple of months ago, I figure it's > worth it. And I absolutely swear by the face mask for puttying, because > the > turp and linseed fumes give me a headache (and I don't need to be > breathing > whiting dust anyway). > > > Sparks > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 4 12:28:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 12:07:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #18 built 2000-Jan-3) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Kauriee@aol.com Subject: Re: cutting larger HF (flat) lead Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 20:00:19 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk I'd say less pressure on, and more wiggling of, the knife. Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, Kauriee@aol.com writes >Can anyone give me some advice on how to cut the larger size HF lead without >mashing the channels together or mangling it totally? I have tried using a >weighted lead knife (new and sharp) working it from side to side...my channel >still gets crushed. My only experience is with the HR profile leads that >don't crush as easily and can be cut with lead nippers. Please help! > >Kauriee >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 4 12:36:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 12:10:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #18 built 2000-Jan-3) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Kauriee@aol.com Subject: Re: Came cutting Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 20:08:31 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Kauriee, Unless you are using brass or zinc, I don't see the point. Lead knives or dykes cut much more quickly and just as accurately (with practice). Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, Kauriee@aol.com writes >Thanks to all of you who responded to my question about cutting larger leads. > This message board is wonderful!! You have a question one day...type it >into the computer, and 'poof' the next morning there are the answer to your >prayers! > >Thank you Jim for telling me how to access the archives, I am still sort of >new to this whole process so be patient with me! > >Does anyone have any suggestions, comments, etc...regarding the use of the >came saws? Do they work well? Which one is recommended? > >Kauriee >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 4 13:32:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 13:07:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #18 built 2000-Jan-3) X-Path: ply.adelphia.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Lead-free solder-- Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 16:00:27 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I was up at Home Depot and picked up some lead-free solder made by Alpha Metals--no info. on the label other than *Silver bearing solder*. Anyone use this stuff? It's costly--almost $5 for 1/2 pound. Best wishes, Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 4 14:31:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 14:13:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #18 built 2000-Jan-3) X-Path: mail.com!mbwalker From: Brad Walker To: Joseph Augusta , glass Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: Lead-free solder-- Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 17:11:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Most of Alpha's solder is for industrial applications, rather than for stained glass work. I've never used it, but they do have a web site (complete with on-line catalog) at: http://www.alphametals.com/ Cole Sonafrank, who uses lead free solder exclusively, does have a web page that discusses lead free soldering: http://kokomo.gi.alaska.edu/leadfree.html Sonafrank says that he uses an industrial solder by a company called Johnson Manufacturing, so maybe the Alpha solder will work, too. Hope this helps. Brad Walker ------Original Message------ From: Joseph Augusta To: glass Sent: January 4, 2000 9:00:27 PM GMT Subject: Lead-free solder-- I was up at Home Depot and picked up some lead-free solder made by Alpha Metals--no info. on the label other than *Silver bearing solder*. Anyone use this stuff? It's costly--almost $5 for 1/2 pound. Best wishes, Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com?sr=mc.mk.mcm.tag001 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 4 18:17:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 18:09:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #18 built 2000-Jan-3) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Brad Walker Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Warm glass web site Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 21:04:51 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Brad Walker >For anyone who's interested, I've put together a web site devoted to war= m glass techniques like glass fusing and slumping. The site has a lengthy tutorial on basic processes and techniques, as well as information on lot= s of topics such as materials, health & safety, and troubleshooting. I'd b= e very much interested in hearing comments from anyone who visits the site.= < And, it's marvelous! All I can say is write that = book fast, Brad!! As far as hosting the website, maybe some glass organization like AGSA or IGGA will get smart and offer you some space... it's clearly educational. Speaking of warm glass, next issue of Common Ground:Glass will focus on the subject and Brad is our featured writer. Stay tuned! Best regards, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 4 20:19:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 20:08:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #18 built 2000-Jan-3) X-Path: aol.com!Beveler4 From: Beveler4@aol.com To: Kauriee@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: cutting lead Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 23:07:07 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Kauriee, I have used a came saw to cut small 1/4" H came that crushes under the pressure of the knife and find that it is much easier than using lead dykes that waste so much lead because of the odd cut that you end up with . Never have liked lead dykes but,as for came saws they are very handy for many things around the shop.I even use mine to cut wood for frames that I make.I use a Jarmac but I'm sure that there are some other good ones out there. I'm sure that using a came saw on the larger came would work well in your case. I prefer the metal blade verses the fiber blades but that is just my personal preference,and since I do a lot of beveled windows I use it to cut a lot of zinc and it does this well.When cutting came with a saw I first mark the cut with my knife then just take it to the saw and preform the cut,and it is then cut to the right size just as if you had used the knife. Beveler4 (Stan) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 4 22:16:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 21:58:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #20 built 2000-Jan-4) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "\"Bungi" , "synergyglass" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Came cutting Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 21:49:16 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk >>And here's a question for the group: could an ordinary wood chop/miter saw >>be made into a came saw for brass by using an abrasive blade similar to the >>Dremel's cut off tool? Is such a blade made? Has anyone tried this? Maybe yes and maybe no. I have a Glastar chop saw that takes four inch diameter metal and abrasive blades. The metal blade does a good job on lead, reinforced lead and zinc. It quickly wears out on brass. Cutting steel rebar is out of the question for the metal blade. The abrasive blade is excellent for zinc, brass and steel rebar. It quickly clogs up when used with lead. One of the reasons it is good for these metals is the fact that it is only .035 inch in thickness. A thicker blade would generate more heat, require more power and tend to chew up the thin brass and zinc as most of these cames are made from formed up thin sheet stock. Even with this blade the cuts require a small amount of dressing to clean up burrs. I do not know of .035 inch thick blades in larger diameters. I doubt they would be safe in general use. Bob in 92026 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 5 07:41:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 07:17:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #21 built 2000-Jan-4) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!leetollett From: lee tollett To: synergyglass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Came cutting Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 06:14:29 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi everyone Yes you can use a common wood miter saw to cut came. I also work with wood allot, so I had an extra saw not being used at the time, and set it up for came. I use a 10" X 1/8" metal cutting fiber blade. You have to make a jig using two peace's of wood as a backing to support the came. Sense the blade is wide, it does require some clean up of burrs. But for me having perfect angle cuts is worth the time. Works great for me!! Lee Tollett synergyglass wrote: > Hi Kauree > > Yep, I've experienced that same magic myself...sharing problems at whatever > level usually produces a variety of answers and quickly too. > > I don't have a came saw and haven't bought one for the following reasons: > lead came is easy enough to cut with nippers that a saw isn't required. For > brass and zinc came I use a dremel tool with cut off wheel, which iis less > expensive and has way more uses than a came saw. I currently get only 2-3 > commissions a year for brass came, so it's not cost effective. If I lived > in an area where brass is more popular I would probably purchase one. So the > answer to your question to buy or not buy a came saw is...it depends! > > And here's a question for the group: could an ordinary wood chop/miter saw > be made into a came saw for brasss by using an abrasive blade similar to the > Dremel's cut off tool? Is such a blade made? Has anyone tried this? > > Carol Swann > Synergy Glass & Creative > www.igga.org/synergy > seaspray@island.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2000 8:29 AM > Subject: Came cutting > > > Thanks to all of you who responded to my question about cutting larger > leads. > > This message board is wonderful!! You have a question one day...type it > > into the computer, and 'poof' the next morning there are the answer to > your > > prayers! > > > > Thank you Jim for telling me how to access the archives, I am still sort > of > > new to this whole process so be patient with me! > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions, comments, etc...regarding the use of the > > came saws? Do they work well? Which one is recommended? > > > > Kauriee > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 5 14:36:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 14:29:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #21 built 2000-Jan-4) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: [Fwd: Came cutting] Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 17:28:22 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk First of three email replies that were sent yesterday afternoon, so I have no idea why they didn't make it to bungi. Cecily and Ralph Wood wrote: > I have used two came saws (chop saws or miter saws). One is that cute new red > Diamond Tech, and the other is Gryphon. I'd recommend the Gryphon one because > you have a large screw with which you fasten the length of wood, came, etc. to > the guide, making certain the material doesn't shift from the pressure or > movement of the blade. This allows you to push the head down (which activates > the saw) with one hand, and hold the other end of the came, wood, etc. in the > other hand. With the Diamond Tech, you need three hands - one to hold each end > of the came, wood, etc. and one to push. Most people aren't built that way. > With the Diamond Tech, therefore you have one end of the came unsupported which > means you must hold much closer to the blade (not recommended) for stability and > the other end whips off uncontrolled. Doesn't seem all that safe. It's a joy > to cut with either of these saws, though, if you've been cutting zinc or brass > by hand. Zip and it's done. > > Understand, with these saws, you are meant to cut only narrow pieces of > material. Look at the blade when pushed to it's lowest level. It can cut no > wider than that, so it is not like a table saw where you push your material > continuously from the front. Neither of these are multiangle saws, either, > where the material can be angled and the head also angled. These saws will only > make a vertical cut. > > I've also seen the Inland one. It looks like a circular table saw in miniature, > with the flat surface and part of the blade rising thru a crack and visible > above the table surface. According to those who used it, it is practically > worthless for cutting the long thin strips of whatever, since they can't be > supported well and you have to get your hands much too close to the blade > (should be using a pusher, but no way to do that when supporting the material). > At least the one I saw didn't give you any way of controlling your angle for > mitered cuts. Maybe the newer ones do. > > Caveat: Do NOT use lead in these saws!!! Lead gums up the blade to the point > it is worthless for cutting anything else. And DO wear eye protection. - Cec > > Kauriee@aol.com wrote: > > > Thanks to all of you who responded to my question about cutting larger leads. > > This message board is wonderful!! You have a question one day...type it > > into the computer, and 'poof' the next morning there are the answer to your > > prayers! > > > > Thank you Jim for telling me how to access the archives, I am still sort of > > new to this whole process so be patient with me! > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions, comments, etc...regarding the use of the > > came saws? Do they work well? Which one is recommended? > > > > Kauriee > > -- > ********************************************************************* > * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood > * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) > ********************************************************************* -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 5 14:36:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 14:29:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #21 built 2000-Jan-4) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: [Fwd: Came cutting] Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 17:28:42 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk Secondof three email replies that were sent yesterday afternoon, so I have no idea why they didn't make it to bungi. Cecily and Ralph Wood wrote: > I have used two came saws (chop saws or miter saws). One is that cute new red > Diamond Tech, and the other is Gryphon. I'd recommend the Gryphon one because > you have a large screw with which you fasten the length of wood, came, etc. to > the guide, making certain the material doesn't shift from the pressure or > movement of the blade. This allows you to push the head down (which activates > the saw) with one hand, and hold the other end of the came, wood, etc. in the > other hand. With the Diamond Tech, you need three hands - one to hold each end > of the came, wood, etc. and one to push. Most people aren't built that way. > With the Diamond Tech, therefore you have one end of the came unsupported which > means you must hold much closer to the blade (not recommended) for stability and > the other end whips off uncontrolled. Doesn't seem all that safe. It's a joy > to cut with either of these saws, though, if you've been cutting zinc or brass > by hand. Zip and it's done. > > Understand, with these saws, you are meant to cut only narrow pieces of > material. Look at the blade when pushed to it's lowest level. It can cut no > wider than that, so it is not like a table saw where you push your material > continuously from the front. Neither of these are multiangle saws, either, > where the material can be angled and the head also angled. These saws will only > make a vertical cut. > > I've also seen the Inland one. It looks like a circular table saw in miniature, > with the flat surface and part of the blade rising thru a crack and visible > above the table surface. According to those who used it, it is practically > worthless for cutting the long thin strips of whatever, since they can't be > supported well and you have to get your hands much too close to the blade > (should be using a pusher, but no way to do that when supporting the material). > At least the one I saw didn't give you any way of controlling your angle for > mitered cuts. Maybe the newer ones do. > > Caveat: Do NOT use lead in these saws!!! Lead gums up the blade to the point > it is worthless for cutting anything else. And DO wear eye protection. - Cec > > Kauriee@aol.com wrote: > > > Thanks to all of you who responded to my question about cutting larger leads. > > This message board is wonderful!! You have a question one day...type it > > into the computer, and 'poof' the next morning there are the answer to your > > prayers! > > > > Thank you Jim for telling me how to access the archives, I am still sort of > > new to this whole process so be patient with me! > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions, comments, etc...regarding the use of the > > came saws? Do they work well? Which one is recommended? > > > > Kauriee > > -- > ********************************************************************* > * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood > * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) > ********************************************************************* -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 5 15:05:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 14:30:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #21 built 2000-Jan-4) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: [Fwd: cutting lead + Re: tips] Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 17:27:43 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk First of three email replies that were sent yesterday afternoon, so I have no idea why they didn't make it to bungi. Cecily and Ralph Wood wrote: > I have a pair of bent needle nose pliers (jewelry type) that are the handiest > things. One of the uses is for straightening the flanges on came, whether > hobby, or regular copper/brass/zinc/lead. Another use is for peeling old > solder/foil from projects I'm repairing. I also use them to hold blobs that > have been foiled or for decorative metal stampings while tinning. And that's > just the beginning. Other than the soldering iron or glass cutters, they are > probably the most used tool I have. > > The chief advantage is holding things at the bend. Imagine bending your fingers > and then holding something between two of your fingers. And with unfoiling, I > use the bend to scrape (and hopefully grab). > > You can probably purchase them at a hobby store that carries jewelry supplies > (beeds, etc) or metal modal car kits, or the wood for making miniature airplanes > etc. Best $10 you can spend. Don't get anything big - they should be quite > small. > > There is another kind of jewelry plier which I have. It is a more specialized > tool, not used a lot, but when needed, it is just the thing. These are a type > of needle nose, except that each needle (each nose?) is conical. They are great > for bending wire. > > Kauriee@aol.com wrote: > > > Can anyone give me some advice on how to cut the larger size HF lead > > without > > mashing the channels together or mangling it totally? I have tried using a > > > > weighted lead knife (new and sharp) working it from side to side...my > > channel > > still gets crushed. My only experience is with the HR profile leads that > > don't crush as easily and can be cut with lead nippers. Please help! > > < > > > > Boy, this'll be a tough one to put into words! > > Cut the lead first with nippers... with nippers > > positioned from channel to channel. Then clean > > up the slight distortion of the leaves, by snipping > > each leaf individually with the nippers, not smashing > > both together. Does that make sense?? Boy, > > would a picture be worth a thousand words! > > > > Best regards, > > > > Dani Greer > > Greer Gallery & Studios > > > > Thanks Dani for your advice. I ended up trying what you explained (I think), > > but I thought that I was doing it all wrong!! I thought there has got to be > > an easier way! > > > > Oh, I almost forgot...how does one access the archives? > > > > Kauriee > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > -- > ********************************************************************* > * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood > * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) > ********************************************************************* -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 5 15:11:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 14:30:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #21 built 2000-Jan-4) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: [Fwd: Came cutting] Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 17:29:56 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk Third of three email replies that were sent yesterday afternoon, so I have no idea why they didn't make it to bungi. Cecily and Ralph Wood wrote: > This is only a guess but I'd say you could get a diamond blade for them. If > so, yes they certainly could be used. > > My principal use of the little chop saw is for making frames. Frames are by > far the most expensive part of almost any displayed item. I have a lot of > posters and prints, and there is no way I can afford to get them framed > commercially, or even at the do-it-yourself framing places, or with prefab > frames. Obviously, if you want wood frames for glass panels, it too is > cheaper. Of course that won't help with circular or oval panels, but most of > us probably don't do a lot of those. - Cec > > synergyglass wrote: > > > Hi Kauree > > > > Yep, I've experienced that same magic myself...sharing problems at whatever > > level usually produces a variety of answers and quickly too. > > > > I don't have a came saw and haven't bought one for the following reasons: > > lead came is easy enough to cut with nippers that a saw isn't required. For > > brass and zinc came I use a dremel tool with cut off wheel, which iis less > > expensive and has way more uses than a came saw. I currently get only 2-3 > > commissions a year for brass came, so it's not cost effective. If I lived > > in an area where brass is more popular I would probably purchase one. So the > > answer to your question to buy or not buy a came saw is...it depends! > > > > And here's a question for the group: could an ordinary wood chop/miter saw > > be made into a came saw for brasss by using an abrasive blade similar to the > > Dremel's cut off tool? Is such a blade made? Has anyone tried this? > > > > Carol Swann > > Synergy Glass & Creative > > www.igga.org/synergy > > seaspray@island.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2000 8:29 AM > > Subject: Came cutting > > > > > Thanks to all of you who responded to my question about cutting larger > > leads. > > > This message board is wonderful!! You have a question one day...type it > > > into the computer, and 'poof' the next morning there are the answer to > > your > > > prayers! > > > > > > Thank you Jim for telling me how to access the archives, I am still sort > > of > > > new to this whole process so be patient with me! > > > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions, comments, etc...regarding the use of the > > > came saws? Do they work well? Which one is recommended? > > > > > > Kauriee > > > ---- > > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > -- > ********************************************************************* > * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood > * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) > ********************************************************************* -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 5 16:40:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 16:21:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #21 built 2000-Jan-4) X-Path: ltdarkpoet.junglelink.co.uk!charliehodge From: "charlie" To: Subject: kit walden Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 21:10:13 -0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk dear kit, I don't feel I can be much help on this. I have only really dealt with small local firms in my area. this area is extremely bad in providing jobs in this field, only paying minimum wage and expecting good design skills as well. my only suggestion is try the major companies in the UK, such as James Hetley(London). an appeal on bungi will bring you other companies that I'm not aware of no doubt. Other than that the craft fair circuit could be an option but stall prices could be frightening again some shops will take work but watch the mark up they want, they end up earning more than you. all the best in your search Charlie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 5 17:11:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 16:41:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #21 built 2000-Jan-4) X-Path: ghostman.com!candy From: "Candy" To: "Bungi Glass" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: New thread---grinder head mystery Date: Wed, 05 Jan 00 17:41:11 Message-ID: <200001060041.RAA08687@mantis.privatei.com> Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, When I bought a old guy's home studio out, one of the things that turned up was a brand new in the wrapper Inland grinder head.. no markings on the card... It's 1 5/8" long (not counting the brass barrel attachment) and is 1 1/2" in dia. It's white. I haven't taken it out of the wrapper, so it could be packed felt, but it's not very flexible, dry as it is.. Any clues out there? Candy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 5 18:11:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 17:43:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #21 built 2000-Jan-4) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: Candy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: New thread---grinder head mystery Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 20:41:20 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<200001060041.RAA08687@mantis.privatei.com>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Candy wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > When I bought a old guy's home studio out, one of the things that turned up was a brand > new in the wrapper Inland grinder head.. no markings on the card... > > It's 1 5/8" long (not counting the brass barrel attachment) and is 1 1/2" in dia. It's white. I > haven't taken it out of the wrapper, so it could be packed felt, but it's not very flexible, > dry as it is.. > > Any clues out there? > > Candy > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass it sounds like a hole cutter. inland does make those. the largest head they make for grinders is 1". ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-12-99 - New Pages Added: 3 new Tips sections - Reader's Tips, Making your own Glass Filigree, and Cutting Different types of glass. There are also a lot of new Sky City pictures. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 5 20:49:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 20:11:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #21 built 2000-Jan-4) X-Path: webtv.net!alipearson From: alipearson@webtv.net (alipea) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Subject: Posted this on Jan 1? Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 23:11:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I only got 1 response? My sister ordered a foiled stained glass suncatcher/window (w/ frame?) 1 x 1 ft or larger. A design in center wit scraps surrounding it, Doesn't this sound like too much work? How much would you charge? Is it worth it? Ali ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 5 21:25:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 21:05:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #21 built 2000-Jan-4) X-Path: aol.com!Kauriee From: Kauriee@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: (no subject) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 00:01:56 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Skip, Maybe Harbor Freight? Kauriee ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 6 04:00:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 01:38:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #22 built 2000-Jan-6) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Posted this on Jan 1? Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 09:21:41 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk At 23:11 05/01/00 -0500, Ali wrote: >I only got 1 response? > >My sister ordered a foiled stained glass suncatcher/window (w/ frame?) 1 >x 1 ft or larger. A design in center wit scraps surrounding it, >Doesn't this sound like too much work? How much would you charge? Is >it worth it? > Sorry you feel neglected! Maybe people were too caught up in the time of the year celebrations. Probably like me they were not quite sure what you wanted advice on. Has your sister ordered it from you - so you want advice on how much to charge her - or from someone else - and you want to make sure she is not being overcharged? If the former then it is really a question of a) Do you want to make it? - if not suggest another pattern you would like to do. Stained glass as a hobby ought to be enjoyable!! Nothing is more depressing than having to do a piece you dont like just because you have been asked to do it. You often dont make such a good job of those kinds of projects as your heart is not in it. Those of us who make a living from the craft have to steel ourselves to putting our best efforts into work we are not that enthusiastic about if we have bills to pay, but those lucky people with a day job can pick and choose what they make. b) "Too much work" depends on how you personally like to work on projects. Some of our students amaze me by being happy fiddling with really tiny scraps of glass because they like to use up all those odd pieces, while others throw pieces into the scrap box that are 6 inches or so square because they cant be bothered messing about with small pieces!! (the rest of the students then fight over who gets to pick those pieces out and use them!!) Also some people are happier working strictly to pattern, so prefer a "proper design" while others like the feel of spontanaeity (sp?) you get when just putting pieces in where they fit, and often get just as effective a random pattern. c)How much is your time worth to you? We always suggest that you should get as much as you feel your work is worth - and that varies immensely from one crafter to another. Often people spend many hours slaving over a piece of work for family members and dont even charge them the materials cost! We usually suggest that you work out what it will cost in materials, add a bit for use of the tools/equipment - if lots of grinding is involved then charge a bit extra to allow for wear and tear - than add to this whatever you want to be paid for your time. If the total amounts to more than the potential "customer" thinks it is "worth" to them then dont make it - and spend your time doing something for yourself! Regards EliZabeth in Bournemouth Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 6 04:04:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 02:13:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #21 built 2000-Jan-4) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Cecily and Ralph Wood Subject: Re: [Fwd: Came cutting] Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 09:20:21 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, Cecily and Ralph Wood writes >First of three email replies that were sent yesterday afternoon, so I have no >idea >why they didn't make it to bungi. > >Cecily and Ralph Wood wrote: ...cut..... >> I've also seen the Inland one. It looks like a circular table saw in >miniature, >> with the flat surface and part of the blade rising thru a crack and visible >> above the table surface. According to those who used it, it is practically >> worthless for cutting the long thin strips of whatever, since they can't be >> supported well and you have to get your hands much too close to the blade >> (should be using a pusher, but no way to do that when supporting the >material). >> At least the one I saw didn't give you any way of controlling your angle for >> mitered cuts. Maybe the newer ones do. >> >> Caveat: Do NOT use lead in these saws!!! Lead gums up the blade to the point >> it is worthless for cutting anything else. I disagree on the use of the Inland for lead. It works really well on lead calme. The blade that comes with it cleans itself of lead very well. The guide does have provision for any angle by means of a pivot and locking thumb screw. It is not very substantial, but works for non- production work. For production work, I devised my own guides at the angles I needed. The major problem is assembly of the product. The problem after that is the poor quality motor. So don't expect a long life in production work. For other work it will be fine. I set mine up so that its work surface was at the same height as the neighbouring work bench. This supports the uncut parts of the calme. You could arrange things so the grinder and the saw table were interchangeable next to your work bench. I still don't see why you would want to do all the work of marking the angle on the calme, taking the calme to the saw, adjusting the guide to the appropriate angle, put on the goggles, turn on the saw, make the cut, turn off (and at the end of the day empty the off-cut particles from the machine). It would be much quicker to cut with the lead knife. All you have to do with it is to sharpen it regularly (say every half day) on an oil or Arkansas stone. >And DO wear eye protection. - Yep! Very important. It is surprising how far the swarf can be thrown. So if you are near the machine, you will be hit strongly with lead particles. Eye protection is a MUST! IT is also important that you do not use your fingers to directly push the items to be cut. You MUST use a guide or pusher to manipulate the lead, zinc, brass, etc., near the blade. It cuts the lead and other soft metals so quickly that you could loose whole fingers in a fraction of a second. NEVER, NEVER, NEVER use a table saw without a guide or pusher! Steve -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 6 04:04:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 03:38:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #22 built 2000-Jan-6) X-Path: bellatlantic.net!elsiemt From: elsie turqman To: glass , Joyce Koenig , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------AD8E66325A87D1A30ED22ADA" Subject: NG Rules for Living Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 06:42:19 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------AD8E66325A87D1A30ED22ADA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here are some good thoughts on how to live. If luck comes with the transmission, we can all use some. Skip past the start and start reading the rules. Elsie > > FOR GOOD LUCK AND GOOD LIFE IN YEAR 2000 AND THEREAFTER, > > > > THE FOLLOWING IS A NEPALESE GOOD LUCK TANTRA TOTEM. > > > > > > > > This tantra totem has been sent to you for good luck. It has been sent > > > > around the world ten times so far. You will receive good luck within > > > > four days of relaying this tantra totem. Send copies to people you think > > > > > need good luck. > > > > > > > > Don't send money as fate has no price. Do not keep this message. The > > > > tantra totem must leave your hands in 96 hours. > > > > You will get a very pleasant surprise. This is true, even if you are > > > > not superstitious. > > > > > > > > INSTRUCTIONS FOR LIFE > > > > > > > > 1. Give people more than they expect and do it cheerfully. > > > > 2. Memorize your favorite poem. > > > > 3. Don't believe all you hear, spend all you have or sleep all you > > > > want. > > > > 4. When you say, "I love you", mean it. > > > > 5. When you say, "I'm sorry", look the person in the eye. > > > > 6. Be engaged at least six months before you get married. > > > 7. Believe in love at first sight. > > > > 8. Never laugh at anyone's dreams. People who don't have dreams don't > > have much. > > > > 9. Love deeply and passionately. You might get hurt but it's the only > > > > > way to live > > life completely. > > > > 10. In disagreements, fight fairly. No name calling. > > > > 11. Don't judge people by their relatives. > > > > 12. Talk slowly but think quickly. > > > > 13. When someone asks you a question you don't want to answer, smile > > and > > ask, "Why do you want to know?" > > > > 14. Remember that great love and great achievements involve great risk. > > > > > 15. Call your mom. > > > > 16. Say "bless you" when you hear someone sneeze. > > > > 17. When you lose, don't lose the lesson. > > > > 18. Remember the three R's: Respect for self, Respect for others, > > > > Responsibility for all your actions. > > > > 19. Don't let a little dispute injure a great friendship. > > > > 20. When you realize you've made a mistake, take immediate steps to > > correct it. > > > > 21. Smile when picking up the phone. The caller will hear it in your > > voice. > > > > 22. Marry a man/woman you love to talk to. As you get older, their > > conversational skills will be as important as any other. > > > > 23. Spend some time alone. > > > > 24. Open your arms to change, but don't let go of your values. > > > > 25. Remember that silence is sometimes the best answer. > > > > 26. Read more books and watch less TV > > > > 27. Live a good, honorable life. Then when you get older and think > > back, > > > > you'll get to enjoy it a second time. > > > > 28. Trust in God but lock your car. > > > > 29. A loving atmosphere in your home is so important. Do all you can > > to > > > > create a tranquil harmonious home. > > > > 30. In disagreements with loved ones, deal with the current situation. > > > > Don't bring up the past. > > > > 31. Read between the lines. > > > > 32. Share your knowledge. It's a way to achieve immortality. > > > > 33. Be gentle with the earth. > > > > 34. Pray. There's immeasurable power in it. > > > > 35. Never interrupt when you are being flattered. > > > > 36. Mind your own business. > > > > 37. Don't trust a man/woman who doesn't close his/her eyes when you > > kiss. > > > > 38. Once a year, go someplace you've never been before. > > > > 39. If you make a lot of money, put it to use helping others while you > > > > are living. That is wealth's greatest satisfaction. > > > > 40. Remember that not getting what you want is sometimes a stroke of > > luck. > > > > 41. Learn the rules...and then break some. > > > > 42. Remember that the best relationship is one where your love for each > > > > > other is greater than your need for each other. > > > > 43. Judge your success by what you had to give up in order to get it. > > > > 44. Remember that your character is your destiny. > > > > 45. Approach love and cooking with reckless abandon. > > > > > > > > Now, here's the FUN part! Send this to at least 5 people and your life > > > > will improve. > > > > > > > > 0-4 people: Your life will improve slightly. > > 5-9 people: Your life will improve to your liking. > > 10-14 people: You will have at least 5 surprises in the next 3 weeks > > 15 and above: Your life will improve drastically and everything you > > ever dreamed of will begin to take shape. > > --------------AD8E66325A87D1A30ED22ADA Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from mail6.bellatlantic.net ([151.201.0.38]) by immta2.bellatlantic.net (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <20000105190025.YQPC17980.immta2@mail6.bellatlantic.net> for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 14:00:25 -0500 Received: from ahlacomm.healthlawyers.org (ml.nhla.org [207.196.94.194] (may be forged)) by mail6.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA24806 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 14:00:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by ml.nhla.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 13:49:49 -0500 Message-ID: <616C8B1207F7D111923800805FBB567E540166@ml.nhla.org> From: Elizabeth Turqman To: "Elsie Turqman (E-mail)" , "Eric Turqman (E-mail)" Subject: FW: (no subject) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 13:49:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'm not a big believer in these, but I liked the advice. > > LUCK AND LIFE > > > > FOR GOOD LUCK AND GOOD LIFE IN YEAR 2000 AND THEREAFTER, > > THE FOLLOWING IS A NEPALESE GOOD LUCK TANTRA TOTEM. > > > > This tantra totem has been sent to you for good luck. It has been sent > > around the world ten times so far. You will receive good luck within > > four days of relaying this tantra totem. Send copies to people you think > > need good luck. > > > > Don't send money as fate has no price. Do not keep this message. The > > tantra totem must leave your hands in 96 hours. > > You will get a very pleasant surprise. This is true, even if you are > > not superstitious. > > > > INSTRUCTIONS FOR LIFE > > > > 1. Give people more than they expect and do it cheerfully. > > 2. Memorize your favorite poem. > > 3. Don't believe all you hear, spend all you have or sleep all you > > want. > > 4. When you say, "I love you", mean it. > > 5. When you say, "I'm sorry", look the person in the eye. > > 6. Be engaged at least six months before you get married. > 7. Believe in love at first sight. > > 8. Never laugh at anyone's dreams. People who don't have dreams don't > have much. > > 9. Love deeply and passionately. You might get hurt but it's the only > > way to live > life completely. > > 10. In disagreements, fight fairly. No name calling. > > 11. Don't judge people by their relatives. > > 12. Talk slowly but think quickly. > > 13. When someone asks you a question you don't want to answer, smile > and > ask, "Why do you want to know?" > > 14. Remember that great love and great achievements involve great risk. > > 15. Call your mom. > > 16. Say "bless you" when you hear someone sneeze. > > 17. When you lose, don't lose the lesson. > > 18. Remember the three R's: Respect for self, Respect for others, > > Responsibility for all your actions. > > 19. Don't let a little dispute injure a great friendship. > > 20. When you realize you've made a mistake, take immediate steps to > correct it. > > 21. Smile when picking up the phone. The caller will hear it in your > voice. > > 22. Marry a man/woman you love to talk to. As you get older, their > conversational skills will be as important as any other. > > 23. Spend some time alone. > > 24. Open your arms to change, but don't let go of your values. > > 25. Remember that silence is sometimes the best answer. > > 26. Read more books and watch less TV > > 27. Live a good, honorable life. Then when you get older and think > back, > > you'll get to enjoy it a second time. > > 28. Trust in God but lock your car. > > 29. A loving atmosphere in your home is so important. Do all you can > to > > create a tranquil harmonious home. > > 30. In disagreements with loved ones, deal with the current situation. > > Don't bring up the past. > > 31. Read between the lines. > > 32. Share your knowledge. It's a way to achieve immortality. > > 33. Be gentle with the earth. > > 34. Pray. There's immeasurable power in it. > > 35. Never interrupt when you are being flattered. > > 36. Mind your own business. > > 37. Don't trust a man/woman who doesn't close his/her eyes when you > kiss. > > 38. Once a year, go someplace you've never been before. > > 39. If you make a lot of money, put it to use helping others while you > > are living. That is wealth's greatest satisfaction. > > 40. Remember that not getting what you want is sometimes a stroke of > luck. > > 41. Learn the rules...and then break some. > > 42. Remember that the best relationship is one where your love for each > > other is greater than your need for each other. > > 43. Judge your success by what you had to give up in order to get it. > > 44. Remember that your character is your destiny. > > 45. Approach love and cooking with reckless abandon. > > > > Now, here's the FUN part! Send this to at least 5 people and your life > > will improve. > > > > 0-4 people: Your life will improve slightly. > 5-9 people: Your life will improve to your liking. > 10-14 people: You will have at least 5 surprises in the next 3 weeks > 15 and above: Your life will improve drastically and everything you > ever dreamed of will begin to take shape. > --------------AD8E66325A87D1A30ED22ADA-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 6 06:08:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 05:43:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #22 built 2000-Jan-6) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Posted this on Jan 1? Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 08:41:31 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by alipea >My sister ordered a foiled stained glass suncatcher/window (w/ frame?) 1= x 1 ft or larger. A design in center wit scraps surrounding it, Doesn't this sound like too much work? How much would you charge? Is it worth it?< 1x1 ft square copper foil - framed in ?oak? I would charge somewhere between $100-$125 depending on the complexity of the design. Is it worth it? Only you can call that on= e. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles North Wales, PA USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 6 07:52:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 07:39:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #22 built 2000-Jan-6) X-Path: mail.com!mbwalker From: Brad Walker To: alipearson@webtv.net (alipea), glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: Ali's suncatcher/window Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 10:31:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Ali wrote: <> Ali, Here's an interesting example of the difference between fusing and stained glass work. If we assume that the glass just is just scrap glass (therefore it's free), then the major cost involved is the labor to put it all together. Once we've created the design, traditional stained glass work calls for you to foil and solder, then patina. How many hours will that take? Fusing, by contrast, calls for you to just put the arranged scraps in a kiln and fire. No foiling, no soldering, no patina, no cares about how small the scraps are. Of course the final results will look different (no soldering lines, for instance), but fusing is an interesting alternative way to make suncatchers. (Assuming you have the kiln, of course.) The buttons from my site are all details from bowls I've made. If you look at them, you'll see that while they don't look like stained glass work, they could (perhaps with some design changes)make a great suncatcher/window, too. You can see the buttons at: http://pweb.netcom.com/~mbwalker/ (The buttons for "Equipment" and "Troubleshooting" are taken from bowls that were both made using scrap glass in the way described above. The bowls each took about half an hour (an hour at most) in labor and sold for around $65 each -- $90 to 100 retail). If they were flat pieces (rather than bowls), they could have been profitably sold for even less.) (I apologize if anyone thinks this reply is an ad for my web site. It isn't meant to be -- I just thought the point about fused vs stained glass was worth mentioning.) Brad ------Original Message------ From: alipearson@webtv.net (alipea) To: glass@bungi.com Sent: January 6, 2000 4:11:16 AM GMT Subject: Posted this on Jan 1? I only got 1 response? Ali ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com?sr=mc.mk.mcm.tag001 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 6 09:23:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 09:06:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #22 built 2000-Jan-6) X-Path: aol.com!HILLHD1 From: HILLHD1@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Kalidoscope Question Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 12:03:16 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Greetings all for the New Year! My goal, in part for this year is to make some Kalidoscopes. I have kits & made 1 in class a couple of years ago. My question is re the oil scopes, not the wand ones. I was in the twin cities last fall & caught the scope display at Southdale Mall. The scopes that interested me the most were the ones with the oil filled wheels, they were just magical to look at! Does anyone know how they are made? Or where I could get intouch with someone who does. I emailed Kalido.com 2x with no response. TIA Karlene from Wisconsin ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 6 09:39:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 09:20:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #22 built 2000-Jan-6) X-Path: ply.adelphia.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: Brad Walker Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Ali's suncatcher/window Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 11:47:06 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Brad Walker wrote: (I apologize if anyone thinks this reply is an ad for my web site. It isn't meant to be-- OK, you win, I looked! Nice stuff! I really wanted to look at the Advanced material, but since I'm not Advanced I didn't want to cheat--- best wishes, Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 6 09:55:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 09:07:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #22 built 2000-Jan-6) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Posted this on Jan 1? Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 08:58:26 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Organization: weaver51@teleport.com Precedence: bulk any consideration for the skill level of the.........not to mention ( I just did) how may pieces were involved in this endeavor? When someone asks me how much does a "shade" costs without being more specific, my usual answer is to equate it to: how much does a car cost?" enjoy, H weaver51@teleport.com Elaine and Howard best lamps on the "net": http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 6 13:40:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 13:23:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #22 built 2000-Jan-6) X-Path: ebtech.net!proffire From: "Doug Scale" To: "Stained Glass" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: unsubscribe Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 16:20:45 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk My ISP is changing mail servers!! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 6 15:01:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 14:37:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #22 built 2000-Jan-6) X-Path: ply.adelphia.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Engineering problem Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 17:03:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Say you want to make a panel--a rectangle in cathedral glass--12'' wide by 10" high, and you want to put another--different colored-- rectangle in front of it--same width, but just 8" high. then more, same width, but 6", 4", and finally 2" high--making 5 layers in all--using came rather than foil--how would you do it? Best wishes, Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 6 17:08:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 16:33:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #22 built 2000-Jan-6) X-Path: waterw.com!artglass From: "pj friend" To: "glass" Subject: Re: Engineering problem Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 18:18:49 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk the question is why would you do it??? pj Paul Friend Architectural Glass & Design, Inc. www.waterw.com/~artglass Accredited Studio Member of the Stained Glass Association of America Member International Guild of Glass Artists Associate Member AIA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Augusta" To: "glass" Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 5:03 PM Subject: Engineering problem > Say you want to make a panel--a rectangle in cathedral glass--12'' wide > by 10" high, and you want to put another--different colored-- rectangle > in front of it--same width, but just 8" high. then more, same width, but > 6", 4", and finally 2" high--making 5 layers in all--using came rather > than foil--how would you do it? > > Best wishes, > Joseph > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 6 17:38:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:14:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #22 built 2000-Jan-6) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: Joseph Augusta Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Engineering problem Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 20:13:44 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Joseph Augusta wrote: > > Say you want to make a panel--a rectangle in cathedral glass--12'' wide > by 10" high, and you want to put another--different colored-- rectangle > in front of it--same width, but just 8" high. then more, same width, but > 6", 4", and finally 2" high--making 5 layers in all--using came rather > than foil--how would you do it? > > Best wishes, > Joseph > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass does it really have to be came? i suppose the only way you could do it is to buy sheet lead. the glass would have to be glued or it will slide around. finding the lead may be more difficult though. old gutter supplies might be one source. or a lead apron place. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-12-99 - New Pages Added: 3 new Tips sections - Reader's Tips, Making your own Glass Filigree, and Cutting Different types of glass. There are also a lot of new Sky City pictures. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 6 21:15:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 20:51:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #22 built 2000-Jan-6) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "\"Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Engineering problem Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 20:51:06 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I would fuse the panel and use clear class to fill in where the colored panels are short. Would end up with a 12 X 10 X 5/8" glass tile with no chance of crud getting between the layers. Bob in 92026 Joseph Augusta wrote: > > Say you want to make a panel--a rectangle in cathedral glass--12'' wide > by 10" high, and you want to put another--different colored-- rectangle > in front of it--same width, but just 8" high. then more, same width, but > 6", 4", and finally 2" high--making 5 layers in all--using came rather > than foil--how would you do it? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 6 21:45:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 21:17:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #22 built 2000-Jan-6) X-Path: aol.com!Carlross From: Carlross@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: diamond bandsaws Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 00:14:27 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk HI all, I'm new to this group and I'm in the market for a diamond bandsaw and am stuck between the taurus II or the gryphon c -90, but leaning more toward the gryphon. The tuarus looks more like tupperware to me than studio equipment, but I've heard nothing but good things about it. I've had trouble though finding specs on the gryphon beyond sales pitches. I'm curious of it's horsepower, weight and power consumption. Also if there are any opinions as to the quality of the product I'd greatly appreciate them. I'll be using it for cutting fused glass 1/4" - 1/2" sheets for slumping and slumped peices for incorporation in panels. TIA, Carl Ross Lake Avenue Ceramic and Glass Studio Phillips, WI ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 6 22:33:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 22:25:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #23 built 2000-Jan-6) X-Path: home.com!dalereece From: "Dale Reece" To: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; Subject: 90 days to financial independence Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 22:23:47 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01BF5894.B3170E60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is NOT a SPAM Message. Either we have corresponded before, OR we are both members of the same "Voluntary Opt-In" List Club. 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Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 22:34:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #24 built 2000-Jan-6) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "\"Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Fw: New Toyo cutter Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 22:35:08 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Here is some information on the new Toyo cutter as discussed on the Prodigy glass bulletin board. Bob in 92026 (also CATS, Bob) Skorzglas writes: >But now I have a question. It says it "features a barrel with an adjustable >four-position saddle." No instructions come with it and I can figure out two >positions - if you're familiar with the saddle which comes in two pieces, >one would be putting the saddle closest to the oil bladder and the other >would be putting the saddle closest to the gold screw on top. That would put >your hand closer or further away from the cutter itself. Is anyone familiar >with the new cutter or does anyone have a web site address for Toyo (Glass >Accessories International is the manufacturer). Thanks!! Jane > > >glassman >Moderator posted 01-05-00 01:15 AM >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - >---- >Jane, >I have one of the new Toyo cutters. >The part with the projection can be placed either up or down. The round >spacer can be placed above or below it. Ergo: four positions. I put the >projection in the web of my hand. > >When I first got my cutter it was very uncomfortable to use. Then I >discovered how to adjust it. It is now my favorite cutter. The tapping >action (slight) of the wheel seems to do a better job of scoring. I cut a >bunch of complex bevels from !/4" plate glue chip stock yesterday and had my >best luck yet with this material. > >I think this cutter is a winner. > >------------------ >CATS, Bob > > > >skorzglas >Member posted 01-05-00 11:17 AM >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - >---- >Bob, thanks for the info - duh didn't think about reversing the "saddle." I >loved mine from the minute I put it in my hand - am using it with the small >spacer at the top and the saddle in the lowest position, thus putting my >finger closest to the cutting wheel; but men have larger hands so probably >you have yours adjusted upward. Shouldn't they include directions, or are >most people not as dumb as I am - please don't answer that ? It is THE >most comfortable cutter I've ever had. Jane > >glassman >Moderator posted 01-05-00 04:46 PM >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - >---- >I suspect that I have larger hands than you do but I have my cutter rigged >the same with the saddle down and the spacer on top. >It seems to oil better too. There is a valve rather than a wick. > >Good cutting. > >------------------ >CATS, Bob > > > >ronray >Member posted 01-06-00 03:44 AM >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - >---- >Duh --- >Thanks to you two, I went and looked at the cutter which I had been using >for a couple of months and loving it. Admitting to my stupidity I didn't >even realize it was adjustable and was just using it as it came from the >supplier with the spacer at the bottom of the barrel. Moved it above the >support wand and it seems even more comfortable. A really incredible tool, >and I don't have to keep cleaning up spilled oil. >------------------ >Ron Ray > > > >skorzglas >Member posted 01-06-00 11:02 AM >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - >---- >Maybe the manufacturer needs to wake up and put instructions with the cutter >for people like "us" . Jane > >glassman >Moderator posted 01-07-00 01:07 AM >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - >---- >You're sure right about the need for a good instruction sheet. Toyo Pistol >Grips come either two or three to the box. There is one sheet of >instructions per box. They've been doing this for years. Go figure. >Was using my tapper cutter today and it sure did the job. Made a long score >in 1/4" plate glass and broke it out with my hands. Previously would be >placing the score at the edge if the table, raising the glass and slamming >down to get the score to run. > >I am not sure but I THINK the wheel and axle are one piece and the axle is a >square or hex. When the cutter is pulled along at a good rate I can feel the >vibration that the cutter seems to be making. Someone said this drives the >score deeper into the glass. Perhaps so but I have had better luck with >light scores rather than heavy when using the older style Toyo cutters or >any other for that matter. > >I don't think the new heads can be used with existing grips. There seems to >be a small size difference. > >I feel this is a must buy item. Retail should not be more than $40.00. If it >saves glass it will quickly pay for itself. > >------------------ >CATS, Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 6 23:32:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 23:28:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #24 built 2000-Jan-6) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "\"Bungi" , "Tom" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: New Toyo cutter Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 23:21:20 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk >>Bob, What is the address of this discussion group? Did you post it before? Thanks. Tom<< I don't think you can access the Prodigy chat boards unless you are a Prodigy member. The glass board is a sub board under the crafts board. If anything really good comes along I am likely to repost it here. Bob in 92026 Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 7 00:31:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 00:13:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #24 built 2000-Jan-6) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "\"Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: New Toyo cutter Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 00:12:38 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Tom, Here is the page for the Prodigy glass board. http://crafts.bb.prodigy.net/craftsb/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&forum=St ained+Glass&number=17&DaysPrune=10&LastLogin= You may be able to read the board but not post to it. Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 7 06:04:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 05:52:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #24 built 2000-Jan-6) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Engineering problem Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 08:51:02 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 1/6/00 8:09:17 PM, artglass@waterw.com writes: >the question is why would you do it??? That's what my Enquiring Mind wants to know.... but who knows what evil lurks in the minds of artists? :-) As for the "how," if I read the original post right you've got 5 pieces, each 12" in one direction. Prob noblem. Frame each piece in U came, stack 'em up and solder the edges together just like you would with copper foil. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 7 11:32:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 11:25:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #24 built 2000-Jan-6) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: Joseph Augusta Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Engineering problem Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 11:23:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Joseph: Not sure what you are trying to achieve but there are several possibilities you could think about: (1) Since you are using cathedral glass you could use the ultra-violet adhesive and use lead came around the outside borders only; (2) Copper foil the panels and solder them together where they touch each other; or (3) Wrap each rectangle with lead came and solder them where each joins another. What are you making? Peggy On Thu, 6 Jan 2000, Joseph Augusta wrote: > Say you want to make a panel--a rectangle in cathedral glass--12'' wide > by 10" high, and you want to put another--different colored-- rectangle > in front of it--same width, but just 8" high. then more, same width, but > 6", 4", and finally 2" high--making 5 layers in all--using came rather > than foil--how would you do it? > > Best wishes, > Joseph > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 7 21:04:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 20:40:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #25 built 2000-Jan-7) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: "Family Account" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Keeping inventory Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 23:14:22 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01BF5964.EE8BBC40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We are thinking about using Access to keep a running inventory (perhaps = running queries monthly or weekly to add in newly made items and take = out sales) (those tables would also keep track of sales). Does anyone = know of an Access book that addresses inventory? Yup, I already know = quite a bit about Access, but am trying to figure out the details and = the queries. Alot of making Access work is in the planning. Meanwhile, I'm thinking of a claddaugh design...lots of claddaugh rings = on the Web! That's one of my chores for the weekend, doing mostly = design work! =20 Dorothy ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01BF5964.EE8BBC40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_000_0051_01BF5964.EE8BBC40-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 7 21:28:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 21:21:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #25 built 2000-Jan-7) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Selling Diamond Laser Speedster Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 21:15:24 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: MM Ltd. Precedence: bulk Used once and purchased less than a year ago. Price $175.00 plus shipping (weighs approx. 20 pounds) 2 year guarantee still good and comes with 2 new blades. Will be sent in original box to you. If interested email me off group. See ya Pam -- Ms. Pamela Burns-Tappan Executive Director The Stained Glass Artists http://www.stainedglassartists.com A Division of: Moswood Mountain Ltd. http://www.moswoodmountainltd.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 8 07:06:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 06:37:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #27 built 2000-Jan-7) X-Path: aol.com!GlasLdy From: GlasLdy@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: SG Biz For Sale Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 09:36:35 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I don't know if I should be doing this on the list but after seeing Pam put the laser saw up for sale ......I thought I would let everyone know I am offering my SG business on eBay. So if you are on the east coast or midwest and have thought of starting your own or adding a wholesale division to your existing biz please e-mail me off list. It's really quite a deal! Thanks, and I'm sorry if I stepped on any toes. Janice http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=232136755 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 8 11:06:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 10:47:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #27 built 2000-Jan-7) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "INTERNET:GlasLdy@aol.com" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: SG Biz For Sale Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 13:46:18 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:GlasLdy@aol.com >I don't know if I should be doing this on the list but after seeing Pam put = the laser saw up for sale ......I thought I would let everyone know I am = offering my SG business on eBay. So if you are on the east coast or midwest = and have thought of starting your own or adding a wholesale division to your = existing biz please e-mail me off list. It's really quite a deal! Thanks, and I'm sorry if I stepped on any toes. Janice < Are you kidding?? This is what networking is all about. Can't imagine why anyone would be offended by it.... Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 8 17:54:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 17:32:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #27 built 2000-Jan-7) X-Path: bardstown.com!glassx From: "Glass Expressions" To: "IGGA BUNGI" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Fw: the power of one n/g Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 21:34:57 +0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Hart To: Bob Michael ; Joshua Michael ; Uncle Wayne & Aunt Kay ; Sue Michael ; Stephanie Ann Michael ; Rick & Anita Richmond ; Rexx & Sheila Bradley ; Nick & Byrda Hart ; Lori & Tito ; Leah Michael ; Koester Pavilion ; Keith W. Hart ; Jim & Judy Kaster ; Aunt Margie & Larry Snyder ; com@mail.bardstown.com ; Amy Michael Date: Friday, January 07, 2000 12:36 PM Subject: Fw: the power of one >this one is really good !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >-----Original Message----- >From: TAYJAY94 >To: Jenny ; Jeff ; Diane >; Dad & Mary ; Clarissa >; Chris ; >Murray ; Rhonda ; Lynda ; >linda >Date: Wednesday, January 05, 2000 6:15 PM >Subject: the power of one > > >>the power of one! >> >>>> One day, when I was a freshman in high school, I saw a kid from my class >>>> was walking home from school. His name was Kyle. It looked like he was >>>> carrying all of his books. I thought to myself, "Why would anyone bring >>>> home all his books on a Friday? He must really be a nerd." I had quite a >>>> weekend planned (parties and a football game with my friends tomorrow >>>> afternoon), so I shrugged my shoulders and went on. >>>> >>>> As I was walking, I saw a bunch of kids running toward him. They ran at >>>> him, knocking all his books out of his arms and tripping him so he >landed >>>> in the dirt. His glasses went flying, and I saw them land in the grass >>>about ten feet from him. He looked up and I saw this terrible sadness in >>his eyes. My heart went out to him. So, I jogged over to him and as he >>crawled >>>around looking for his glasses, and I saw a tear in his eye. As I handed >>him his glasses, I said, "Those guys are jerks. They really should get >>lives." >>>> >>>> He looked at me and said, "Hey thanks!" There was a big smile on his >>face. >>>It was one of those smiles that showed real gratitude. I helped him pick >up >>>his books, and asked him where he lived. As it turned out, he lived near >>me, so I asked him why I had never seen him before. He said he had gone to >>>private school before now. I would have never hung out with a private >>school kid before. We talked all the way home, and I carried his books. He >>turned >>>out to be a pretty cool kid. I asked him if he wanted to play football on >>>Saturday with me and my friends. He said yes. >>> >>>We hung all weekend and the more I got to know Kyle, the more I liked him. >>>And my friends thought the same of him. Monday morning came, and there was >>>Kyle with the huge stack of books again. I stopped him and said, boy, you >>>are gonna really build some serious muscles with this pile of books >>>everyday!" He just laughed and handed me half the books. >>>> >>>> Over the next four years, Kyle and I became best friends. When we were >>>> seniors, we began to think about college. Kyle decided on Georgetown, >and >>I was going to Duke. I knew that we would always be friends, that the miles >>>would never be a problem. He was going to be a doctor, and I was going for >>>business on a football scholarship. >>>> >>>> Kyle was valedictorian of our class. I teased him all the time about >>being a nerd. He had to prepare a speech for graduation. I was so glad it >>wasn't >>me having to get up there and speak. >>>> >>>> Graduation day, I saw Kyle. He looked great. He was one of those guys >>that really found himself during high school. He filled out and actually >>looked >>>good in glasses. He had more dates than me and all the girls loved him! >>Boy, sometimes I was jealous. Today was one of those days. >>>> >>>I could see that he was nervous about his speech. So, I smacked him on the >>>back and said, "Hey, big guy, you'll be great!" He looked at me with one >of >>>those looks (the really grateful one) and smiled. "Thanks," he said. >>>> >>>> As he started his speech, he cleared his throat, and began. "Graduation >>is a time to thank those who helped you make it through those tough years. >>Your parents, your teachers, your siblings, maybe a coach... but mostly >>your >>>friends. I am here to tell all of you that being a friend to someone is >the >>>best gift you can give them. I am going to tell you a story." >>>> >>>> I just looked at my friend with disbelief as he told the story of the >>first day we met. He had planned to kill himself over the weekend. He >talked >>of >>how he had cleaned out his locker so his mom wouldn't have to do it later >>and >>was carrying his stuff home. He looked hard at me and gave me a little >>smile. >>>"Thankfully, I was saved. My friend saved me from doing the unspeakable." >>I heard the gasp go through the crowd as this handsome, popular boy told us >>all about his weakest moment. I saw his mom and dad looking at me and >>smiling >>>that same grateful smile. Not until that moment did I realize it's depth. >>> >>>Never underestimate the power of your actions. With one small gesture you >>can change a person's life. God places us in each other's lives to effect >>>another in some way. 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Simply click here - http://650814153/ -- and select the unsubscribe button at the top right side of the page. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 9 16:03:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 15:56:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #30 built 2000-Jan-9) X-Path: home.com!wwstamps From: Sharon Milliken To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: IGGA Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 17:33:52 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Can anyone outin bungiland tell me why I can't access the IGGA website?? Are they experiencing some problem? All I get is some nasty little aplet. Thanks! Sharon ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 9 17:44:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 17:35:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #30 built 2000-Jan-9) X-Path: island.net!seaspray From: "synergyglass" To: "Sharon Milliken" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: IGGA Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 16:19:02 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Sharon, The igga site was hit by hackers. Christie told me on Friday that they expected to have it back up on Saturday. Guess they all took the weekend off. I'm anxious to have it back also. Any word, Christie? Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Sharon Milliken To: Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2000 2:33 PM Subject: IGGA > Can anyone outin bungiland tell me why I can't access the IGGA website?? > Are they experiencing some problem? All I get is some nasty little > aplet. Thanks! Sharon > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 9 18:05:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 17:41:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #30 built 2000-Jan-9) X-Path: home.com!wwstamps From: Sharon Milliken To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: wierd things happening Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 20:37:35 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Dave, you may be interested in this! A while ago when I posted a message to bungi about IGGA someone named Marinell was in a stained glass pattern website and got my e-mail. She said she didn't even know what Bungi was. She didn't say which website but I still have her e-mail if you want to investigate further.Sharon ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 9 18:49:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 18:30:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #30 built 2000-Jan-9) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: IGGA Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 21:25:59 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Sharon Milliken >Can anyone outin bungiland tell me why I can't access the IGGA website??= Are they experiencing some problem? All I get is some nasty little aplet. Thanks! Sharon< We had a hacker and are in the process of moving the site to a new server... should be up again next week. Can you imagine anyone being so bored, they have to hack an innocuous little glass site??????? Glad you noticed, though.... was beginning to think nobody ever visited the IGGA website. You're only the fifth person to mention it was missing!!! Guess we had better make it a little more exciting for the members so we get more complaints when it's down! ROFLO. Cheers, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios IGGA Treasurer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 9 20:04:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 19:52:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #30 built 2000-Jan-9) X-Path: aol.com!Kauriee From: Kauriee@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: More lead questions Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 22:52:11 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Now for some more lead questions. I have successfully mastered cutting larger sized leads thanks to all the suggestions from the very helpful Bungians. Now, can someone please tell me how to bend the larger sizes without kinking them? Thank you again in advance! Kauriee ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 10 03:53:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 03:46:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #31 built 2000-Jan-9) X-Path: aol.com!SGriffiSBG From: SGriffiSBG@aol.com To: Kauriee@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: plating question Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 06:45:35 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk hi-need some advice/information Am making items that children will handle and thought I would investigate plating etc.(new at sg) If any of you have information/sites etc. I can access I would appreciate it. thanks in advance Shirley g. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 10 09:27:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 09:12:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #31 built 2000-Jan-9) X-Path: excite.com!Carolyn_Boring From: Carolyn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: no mail Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 08:51:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I haven't recieved any mail for about a week now...Help!! _______________________________________________________ Visit Excite Shopping at http://shopping.excite.com The fastest way to find your Holiday gift this season ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 10 11:29:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 11:09:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #31 built 2000-Jan-9) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: SGriffiSBG@aol.com Subject: Re: plating question Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 18:52:30 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Don't bother plating, fuse it instead. Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, SGriffiSBG@aol.com writes >hi-need some advice/information > >Am making items that children will handle and thought I would investigate >plating etc.(new at sg) If any of you have information/sites etc. I can >access I would appreciate it. thanks in advance >Shirley g. >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 10 11:35:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 11:09:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #31 built 2000-Jan-9) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Kauriee@aol.com Subject: Tight radius for broad lead (was:More lead questions) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 18:32:05 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk The degree of bend possible is directly proportionate to the width of the lead and whether it is flat or round. Round lead will form a smaller radius than flat, size for size. It is the nature of the material which requires shallow curves for wide lead and allows tight curves for narrow lead. It is one of the things to make use of in designing. However, If you want to appear to bend broad leads in a very tight radius, you can use a narrow lead to do the leading. Then add strips of lead to the in and out side of the curve. You do this by cutting the heart out of the narrow lead, smoothing the resulting two leaves and bend them to fit the curve. Then solder at the ends and sweat solder to the "real" came. Some would suggest doing this after all other soldering and finishing is completed. Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, Kauriee@aol.com writes >Now for some more lead questions. >I have successfully mastered cutting larger sized leads thanks to all the >suggestions from the very helpful Bungians. Now, can someone please tell me >how to bend the larger sizes without kinking them? >Thank you again in advance! >Kauriee >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 10 13:53:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 13:32:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #31 built 2000-Jan-9) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: IGGA web site Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 16:31:02 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Sharon Milliken >Can anyone outin bungiland tell me why I can't access the IGGA website??= Are they experiencing some problem? All I get is some nasty little aplet. Thanks! Sharon< As several of you by now have noticed, the IGGA web site has recently experienced a HACKER doing some junk to the web site. Not to worry. The IGGA web site is backed up off-site, and is right now in the process of changing to another internet server provider, and is being restored from the backup files. We expect to be back up and running hack-free within the next couple of days. My thanks to Tim Atwood for being our IGGA backup man!!! And my thanks to "Art On View" (http://www.artonview.com) for being the new IGGA server. Christie A. Wood-IGGA Exec.Director Art Glass Ensembles North Wales, PA USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 10 15:07:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 14:54:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #31 built 2000-Jan-9) X-Path: bellsouth.net!ladona From: Donna Helms To: Sharon Milliken Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: wierd things happening Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 17:49:31 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk This is weird. Ever since I signed on to receive mailings from bungi.com, I've gotten eveybody and their brother's e-mail. Donna Sharon Milliken wrote: > Dave, you may be interested in this! A while ago when I posted a message > to bungi about IGGA someone named Marinell was in a stained glass > pattern website and got my e-mail. She said she didn't even know what > Bungi was. She didn't say which website but I still have her e-mail if > you want to investigate further.Sharon > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 10 15:38:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 15:22:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #31 built 2000-Jan-9) X-Path: soltec.net!tamis From: "Tami Siddens" To: Subject: Re: Bungi Archive - General Amnesty Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 17:21:14 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks to you both - Chris and Jim. I know I for one was totally overwhelmed by the pure mass of emails, what a learning experience! To quote a lovely elder I know, "There will be stars in your crown". Tami Tami Siddens Envision Success Professional Coaching/Consulting Services Member International Coach Federation tamis@soltec.net Attract an extraordinary life! "Just don't give up trying to do what you really want to do. Where there is love and inspiration, I don't think you can go wrong." - Ella Fitzgerald -----Original Message----- From: Chris Kaiser To: Awbaxter@aol.com ; bungivols@yahoo.com ; embee@mediaone.net ; bobdu@prodigy.net ; gonzalj@freenet.tlh.fl.us ; jazzykid@tir.com ; kseeglass@netzero.net ; tifstyorig@juno.com ; CncptThnkr@aol.com ; rballard@icsp.net ; shigbee@mtcon.net ; brian.shepherd@ukonline.co.uk ; tamis@soltec.net Date: Monday, January 10, 2000 5:01 PM Subject: Re: Bungi Archive - General Amnesty >Anne, > >Thank you! > >I also wanted to take this opportunity to give my >heartfelt and warm thanks to Jim. Some of you may know >I started a new job in the beginning of November, >since that time I have had to put the Bungi project on >the back burner. Jim has totally stepped up to the >plate and taken responsibility, with good humor, and >without complaint. I am extremely grateful. 8D >All that has been done since that time was done solely >by Jim, and I know its been no small amount of work! >*hearty applause for Jim!!!* >My grateful thanks, >Chris >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 10 15:55:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 15:23:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #31 built 2000-Jan-9) X-Path: island.net!seaspray From: "synergyglass" To: "Christie A. Wood" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: IGGA web site Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 15:21:50 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Christie Glad to hear it's getting solved slowly but surely. Here's an important question since I have over 1000 cards out with my web site as www.igga.org/synergy. Please, please, please tell me that the web site addy will be the same. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Christie A. Wood To: Bungi Sent: Monday, January 10, 2000 1:31 PM Subject: IGGA web site > Message text written by Sharon Milliken > >Can anyone outin bungiland tell me why I can't access the IGGA website??= > > Are they experiencing some problem? All I get is some nasty little > aplet. Thanks! Sharon< > > As several of you by now have noticed, the IGGA web site has recently > experienced a HACKER doing some junk to the web site. Not to worry. > > The IGGA web site is backed up off-site, and is right now in the process > of changing to another internet server provider, and is being restored > from the backup files. We expect to be back up and running hack-free > within the next couple of days. > > My thanks to Tim Atwood for being our IGGA backup man!!! And my > thanks to "Art On View" (http://www.artonview.com) for being the new > IGGA server. > > Christie A. Wood-IGGA Exec.Director > Art Glass Ensembles > North Wales, PA USA > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 10 16:28:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 16:03:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #31 built 2000-Jan-9) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Christie A. Wood" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: IGGA web site Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 19:01:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk And my thanks to Christie Wood, Executive Director of the International Guild of Glass Artists for handling the situation so quickly and professionally. Am looking forward to seeing the IGGA site up and running again soon and even more so to the exciting changes! Thanks Christie! Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios IGGA Treasurer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 10 17:07:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 16:53:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #31 built 2000-Jan-9) X-Path: juno.com!mschatee From: mschatee@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Wedding Picture Frame Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 19:48:44 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Would any of you out there in Bungiland happen to have a picture frame pattern or picture of a picture frame that would be appropriate for a Wedding Gift. I am going to a wedding this Saturday coming up (nothing like waiting to the last minute) so I would have to have a pattern by Thursday at least. Thanks in advance, I have faith that someone will come through for me. Caren ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 10 17:26:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 17:19:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #31 built 2000-Jan-9) X-Path: aol.com!SGriffiSBG From: SGriffiSBG@aol.com To: s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: plating question Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 20:15:48 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk what is fusing? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 10 18:57:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 18:37:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #31 built 2000-Jan-9) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzy To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Question about Large Door Construction - Help Please!!! Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 21:37:58 -0500 Message-ID: <200001110236.VAA15302@smu0102.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Greetings Friends, My partners and I have been approached about constructing a wine-cellar door. There will be a mahogany door constructed; size of opening for glass is still up in the air, but I'll assume it's going to be on the order of 30 inches wide by 70 inches deep. The wine cellar itself will be kept around 50 degrees F., the basement in which it is located will probably be kept around 68-70 degrees. I had hoped we could construct the panel and have it lay flush with another piece of plate glass behind it. However the door manufacturer said he would be wanting at least 5/8 inch between the two layers for insulation purposes, so there goes my hopes for additional strengthening. To make matters more complicated, the owners want a design only on the left one-third, around the top, and going to the bottom on the right, of grapes and vines. This is to leave space to see a mural painted on the wall behind the door. They are adamant about not wanting anything else in the whole door but plain glass - not a solder line or rebar anywhere! I don't see how this can be doable unless we make an overlay only of the grapes and vines, attaching it to the one piece of plate glass installed in the door. Any thoughts/help/counseling would be greatly appreciated! Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 10 21:36:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 21:28:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #31 built 2000-Jan-9) X-Path: aol.com!Kauriee From: Kauriee@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Picture frames Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 00:23:14 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This isn't really a picture frame pattern, but something that I do all the time for wedding gifts. I get a wonderful response from it as well! (not to mention, some business sometimes too!) Take the wedding invitation and trim it to fit a 4x6, 5x7 or oval bevel. "Sandwich" the invitation in between the bevel and a piece of clear glass. (pressed flowers in the corners make a nice touch too.) Use wide copperfoil to wrap both pieces of glass together. Cut thin strips (1/2") of colored glass that match the colors in the invitation to make a border around the bevel. Solder. Frame with 1/8" zinc came. Clean. (Be careful not to get it too wet, as it is not waterproof and moisture can get in-between the two pieces if you are not careful. You can put the picture frame back board on it to make it stand up, or you can hang it. You can also make it two sided (hinged in the middle) and make one side of it the invitation, and the other side a blank picture frame for the wedding photo. This is SO SIMPLE and quick! Hope this helps! Kauriee Would any of you out there in Bungiland happen to have a picture frame pattern or picture of a picture frame that would be appropriate for a Wedding Gift. I am going to a wedding this Saturday coming up (nothing like waiting to the last minute) so I would have to have a pattern by Thursday at least. Thanks in advance, I have faith that someone will come through for me. Caren ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 11 00:44:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 00:29:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #31 built 2000-Jan-9) X-Path: post.com!spy2 From: spy2@post.com To: Friend@public.com Subject: INTERNET SPY Date: Tue, 09 Nov 99 23:07:31 EST Message-ID: <200001110821.JAA07695@www1.mclink.it> Precedence: bulk //////////////////////////////////////// One time mailing, no need for removal. //////////////////////////////////////// CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION YOU WANT TO KNOW. 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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 18:52:48 -0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I recall that, some months ago, someone here mentioned in passing a well-known (?) picture of two lovers beneath a waterfall. I'm about to embark on building an en-suite bathroom, and wonder if it might make the basis for a SG shower screen design. Anyone know where I might find any Information about this picture? Any help will be greatly appreciated. Alan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 11 11:42:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 11:13:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #32 built 2000-Jan-11) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: summer jobs available for s.g. artists Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 14:10:47 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi folk. I'm passing this along, since it came into the IGGA email. I've heard of this group. They've been doing this international summer camp for years. In fact, a couple of years ago I considered applying for the position. Christie A. Wood-IGGA Exec.Director Art Glass Ensembles North Wales, PA USA -------------Forwarded Message----------------- From: INTERNET:summer@hiddenvalleycamp.com, INTERNET:summer@hiddenvalleyc= amp.com To: [unknown], INTERNET:members@igga.org Date: 12/10/1999 7:37 AM RE: summer jobs = Hello. I would like to post the following on bulletin - jobs boards or in a college jobs newsletter Please let me know if you are able to do this ... Thank you Ellen L. Freeman ---------------------------- STAINED GLASS ARTISTS WANTED We look for mature, creative, independent people who possess interesting backgrounds and previous experience with children. Counselors teach or assist 4 workshops daily in areas that include waterfront (lake and pool), farm animal and llama care, English riding, crafts (including stained glass and pottery), B & W photography, theater, dance, guitar, sports, mountain biking, ropes course, and other outdoor activities. Counselors also live in a cabin with 1 or 2 other counselors and share responsibility for the care of a group of campers. -- HIDDEN VALLEY CAMP Freedom, Maine 04941 Peter & Meg Kassen - Directors An International Children's Community for Over 50 Years Email: summer@hiddenvalleycamp.com Phone: 800-922-6737 From Overseas: 207-342-5177 Fax: 207-342-5685 ----------------------- Internet Header -------------------------------- Sender: summer@hiddenvalleycamp.com Received: from whsun615.webhosting.com ([208.156.52.2]) by spamgaae.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.7) with ESMTP id HAA28828 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 07:37:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from ime.net (ime.net [209.90.192.3]) by whsun615.webhosting.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA13549 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 07:37:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from hiddenvalleycamp.com (1271-maine-56k.ime.net [209.90.241.6= 6]) by ime.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA10487 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 07:37:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <384FE860.6E08C4D8@hiddenvalleycamp.com> Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 13:37:06 -0400 From: Hidden Valley Camp Reply-To: summer@hiddenvalleycamp.com Organization: Hidden Valley Camp X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: members@igga.org Subject: summer jobs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii; x-mac-type=3D"54455854"; x-= mac-creator=3D"4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 11 12:02:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 11:13:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #32 built 2000-Jan-11) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: multipart/mixed; Subject: Glass Art Society Conference Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 14:11:20 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This is a MIME-encapsulated message --fbf947d0-c85a-11d3-9548-00805ffe7e64 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hi again folk. Here's a press release from the Glass Art Society about the upcoming conference. Christie A. Wood-IGGA Exec.Director -------------Forwarded Message----------------- From: Glass Art Society, INTERNET:cynthiasharp@earthlink.net To: [unknown], INTERNET:members@igga.org Date: 12/15/1999 5:37 PM RE: Glass Art Society Conference Contact: Penny Berk, Executive Director Cynthia Sharp, Communications Director 206-382-1305 ---------------------------------------------------- FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Glass Art Society to hold its 30th Annual Conference Bridge to the Future June 8-11, 2000 in Brooklyn, New York hosted by UrbanGlass and Long Island University =85 Pre-Conference Brochure, with program and registration information, i= s now available from the Glass Art Society. =85 Registration begins January 15, 2000. The largest gathering of glass artists ever recorded will convene in Brooklyn, New York for the 30th anniversary conference of the Glass Art Society. Four days of demonstrations, lectures, panels, exhibitions, workshops, tours, technical display, and parties will provide 2,000 artis= ts and glass enthusiasts from around the world the opportunity to learn, and= share ideas, experience and technical innovations. Founded in 1971 by a handful of artist/educators who wanted to exchange information and ideas about the new technologies available, G.A.S. membership has grown to over= 2,500 and includes members from 45 countries. THE CONFERENCE PROGRAM =46rom Thursday's Opening Ceremonies in the Brooklyn Museum of Art and th= e Brooklyn Botanic Gardens to the Millennium Marbles Mania Tournament on Sunday, conference goers can expect non-stop activity. Glassworking demonstrations take place at UrbanGlass's 17,000 square foot facility in the mornings, while lectures, panel discussions, Technical Display, the Education Center and more take place in the afternoons at Long Island University. Lectures include topics as varied as Roman Glass: Window Int= o An Ancient World; Glass Seals and Thermal Expansion Compatibility; Forged= Glass Figurines and The Structure of Transparency. Panel discussions include Art Dealers in the Hot Seat; Blowpipe for Hire; Critics and Curators Look at Glass, and Emerging Artists, while demonstrations cover glassworking techniques such as lampworking, casting and blowing. Please= see page 3 for list of participating demonstrators, lecturers and panelis= ts. NEW FEATURES THIS YEAR The always-popular Education Center has grown so much it has been divided= into two parts: The Student Center and the Resource Room. The Student Center will allow students currently enrolled (or interested) in glass programs the opportunity to meet and exchange information on schools, scholarships and other items of interest. The Resource Room will emphasi= ze career and continuing education issues for the "lifetime student", with a= focus on individuals not enrolled in a formal program. The Student Auction, another new feature, will include works by G.A.S. Student member= s. Funds raised from the Auction will offset Student Center expenses and hel= p subsidize low student fees. G.A.S. AUCTIONS In addition to the Student Auction (see above), the Annual Auction and th= e Goblet Grab allow conference participants the chance to purchase unique works of art while supporting the Glass Art Society. A portion of procee= ds from the Goblet Grab go to the Craft Emergency Relief Fund, a non-profit organization. The Annual Auction is open to the public ($50 per ticket; contact G.A.S. for more information.) TECHNICAL DISPLAY The always-popular Technical Display gives attendees the chance to browse= and purchase glass-related materials and supplies. With 60 booths, the 2000 Tech Display will be the largest in G.A.S.'s history. EXHIBITIONS Galleries and museums throughout New York will mount glass-related shows = in conjunction with the G.A.S. Conference. The American Craft Museum shows work by Sandy Skoglund that includes glass dragonflies; Bard Center for Graduate Studies in the Decorative Arts features Roman Glass: Reflections= of Everyday Life, curated by Dr. Stuart J. Fleming of the University of Pennsylvania; the Brooklyn Museum of Art has a local focus with Explorin= g the Museum: 12 Artists Working at UrbanGlass; The International Student Exhibition takes place at Long Island University's Triangle Gallery; The Brooklyn Botanic Garden houses Glass Flowers by Paul Stankard: A Tribute = to Walt Whitman. D.U.M.B.O. Art Center highlights large scale glass installations and sculptures. The Friday Night Gallery Hop features more= than a dozen gallery openings in Manhattan and Brooklyn, offering attendees the rare opportunity to view multiple glass exhibitions in one evening. See attached for Exhibition details. TOURS AND TOURNAMENTS A tour of Greenwich Village Stained Glass Windows and a behind-the-scenes= tour of the Metropolitan Museum of Art's glass collection are two of the special fundraising events offered in addition to the regular conference program to those who wish to extend their conference experience. The Millennium Marbles Mania Tournament at Wollman Rink in Prospect Park is expected to be the world's largest! WORKSHOPS Conference goers can make the most of their trip to New York by attending= Pre- and Post-Conference Workshops. Held at UrbanGlass in Brooklyn, thes= e workshops offer hands-on experience in a variety of glassworking techniques, from beginning to advanced. Among the workshops offered are Kilnforming: Beyond the Basics; Techniques in Furnace-Blown Beads; Beginning Glassblowing; The Lampwork/Neon/Blowing Connection and The Figure: Painted and Sculpted. For more information on workshops and classes, contact Beth Lipman, UrbanGlass Education Director directly at 718-625-3685 x237; E-Mail urbaned@aol.com. AWARD RECIPIENTS; KEYNOTE AND LABINO LECTURERS Lifetime Achievement Award: Klaus Moje Honorary Lifetime Membership: Ginny Ruffner Keynote Speaker: Jamie Carpenter: The Structure of Transparency Labino Lecturer: Henry E. Hagy: Glass Seals and Thermal Expansion Compati= bility ARTISTS AND LECTURERS Demonstrating Artists as of 12/13/99 Hank Murta Adams Lucio Bubacco Suzanne Charbonnet Scott Chaseling John Drury Mark Ferguson Suellen Fowler Hans-Godo Fr=E4bel Katherine Gray Dante Marioni Robbie Miller Janis Miltenberger James Minson Klaus Moje Jim Mongrain Jay Musler Pike Powers The Bead Project Paul Stankard Jeff Zimmerman Lecturers and Panelists as of 12/13/99 Arlon Bayliss Magdalena Campos-Pons James Carpenter, James Carpenter Design Assoc., Inc. John Christie Arthur Danto Stuart J. Fleming Glass Axis Studio Henry E. Hagy Douglas Heller, Heller Gallery Carole Hochman, Barry Friedman Gallery Dinah Hulet Adam Kamens, Hot Soup Studio Joy Kelley Michael Krumrine Kim Levin Beth Lipman, UrbanGlass Brett Littman, UrbanGlass Bonita Marx, Marx-Saunders Gallery Thomas McEvilley David Medina Klaus Moje Chris Mount, Museum of Modern Art Kathleen Mulcahy, Pittsburgh Glass Ctr Shaelene Murray Dennis Oppenheim Justin Parker Shital Pattani, Staffordshire Univ., UK John Perreault, UrbanGlass Judy Pfaff Public Glass Studio Narcissus Quagliata Monona Rossol, A.C.T.S. Ginny Ruffner Ruth Shortt Lowery Sims, Metropolitan Museum of Art Robert Storr, Museum of Modern Art Ruth T. Summers Lawry Swidler Louis Thompson, Staffordshire Univ., UK Richard Whiteley The Glass Art Society (G.A.S.) is a non-profit organization of artists, educators, historians, students, collectors, critics, manufacturers and others interested and involved in the production, technology and aestheti= cs of glass. Each year G.A.S. holds an Annual Conference, publishes the annual G.A.S. Journal, bi-monthly G.A.S. Newsletter, and annual Membership and Educatio= n Roster. The Administrative office in Seattle, Washington, constantly fields contemporary glass-related questions. An active web site (www.glassart.org) provides ongoing information, conference, membership a= nd registration forms, and categorized links to members' web sites. 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//////////////////////////8= --fbf947d0-c85a-11d3-9548-00805ffe7e64-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 11 12:38:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 12:11:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #32 built 2000-Jan-11) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Bungi" , "suzy" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Question about Large Door Construction - Help Please!!! Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 12:10:21 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<200001110236.VAA15302@smu0102.ComCAT.COM>> Precedence: bulk Look at a door I made at http://www.holtenwood.bc.ca/hostud2.htm (construction detail at http://www.holtenwood.bc.ca/hostud5.htm ). It is different than what you describe, but I think it may have some solutions to some of the construction problems you are describing. It has double layered glass (1/2 inch spacing). One layer is simple copper foil work. The other has no foil lines (it is colored, but it could just as easily be plain glass as you describe). For what you are describing there would be more glass and less wood in the overall design also. Plus it sounds like the woodwork is being done by another company which may have other specific methods they want to use. If after looking at the door and reading the construction descriptions, you feel any of what I did would be useful in your design, I can give more detail on the construction methods. If the client wants true double paned hermetically sealed glass for insulation, then you may need to do something different than what I did in the door above. I have thought about different possibilities for this in the past, but I have not actually done them. The general idea would be to start with two plain sheets of glass the final size for the glass portion of the door. The design would then be rendered onto one of the sheets (or possibly both) with either etching, fused (kilned) glass paints or chemically bonded coloured glass or some combination of these. The finished sheets would then be taken to a window manufacturer for standard spacing and sealing just as if it was any other custom hermetically sealed double pane window. One possible problem with this method that I have not researched is building codes and the maximum size and minimum height off the ground for non-tempered glass. Many building codes require any single sheet of glass over a certain size and/or extending below a certain minimum height above the ground to be tempered. I have no idea if glass paint would survive the tempering process and I sincerely doubt chemical bonding could. Though I suppose chemical bonding could be done on already tempered glass (kiln temperatures for glass paints would remove the tempering of already tempered glass I would think). Anyway, this would need to be looked into. Good luck. It sounds like you have a really interesting design problem here. I will be interested to know what you come up with. ----- Original Message ----- From: suzy To: glass bungi line Sent: Monday, January 10, 2000 6:37 PM Subject: Question about Large Door Construction - Help Please!!! > > > My partners and I have been approached about constructing a wine-cellar > door. > > > > Any thoughts/help/counseling would be greatly appreciated! > > Suzanne > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 11 13:10:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 12:43:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #32 built 2000-Jan-11) X-Path: mail.com!mbwalker From: Brad Walker To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Bettina Eberle book Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 15:42:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Does there happen to be anyone on the list who speaks German and/or lives in Germany? I've identified the German edition (original language) of Bettina Eberle's Glass Fusing book (Faszination Glas, 1997) and am trying to locate someone who can find a copy and see if it has any information about a source for the materials used in the book. (Long shot, I know, but long shots sometimes come in.) Brad Walker ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com?sr=mc.mk.mcm.tag001 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 11 14:08:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id